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  new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-04-26 13:29 -0700
    Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-04-26 21:30 +0000
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-27 08:25 -0700
    Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Wayne <nospam@all.invalid> - 2012-04-27 00:04 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-27 18:10 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 "javax.swing.JSnarker" <gharriman@boojum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-28 13:00 -0400
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-28 15:07 -0300
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-28 14:09 -0400
    Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Wayne <nospam@all.invalid> - 2012-04-27 00:10 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-28 14:13 -0400
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Wayne <nospam@all.invalid> - 2012-04-28 18:08 -0400
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2012-04-30 07:30 +0000
          Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-30 18:52 -0400
          Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-01 19:49 -0400
            Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2012-05-03 21:00 +0000

#111 — new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32

New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
When you were a child, if you did your own experiment
to see if it was better to put to cocoa into your cup first
or the hot milk first, then you likely have the programmer gene..

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#112

In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green wrote:

> When you were a child, if you did your own experiment
> to see if it was better to put to cocoa into your cup first
> or the hot milk first, then you likely have the programmer gene..

I don't remember that one, but I do remember trying grape juice
on cereal. If milk and grape juice were good to drink, and if
milk was good on cereal, then grape juice should also be good
on cereal, but it wasn't.

Anyone remember the Burroughs B5500?

-- glen

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#115

On 4/26/2012 2:30 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
> In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green wrote:
>
>> When you were a child, if you did your own experiment
>> to see if it was better to put to cocoa into your cup first
>> or the hot milk first, then you likely have the programmer gene..
>
> I don't remember that one, but I do remember trying grape juice
> on cereal. If milk and grape juice were good to drink, and if
> milk was good on cereal, then grape juice should also be good
> on cereal, but it wasn't.
>

about 1 year ago this happened:
peanut butter works well on sandwiches;
cheese works on sandwiches;
microwaving works well on cheese sandwiches;
...

result was microwaving a peanut-butter and cheese sandwich...
the results were not very good (actually, the bread melted as well...).
also tasted like sour mud as well...


generally for things like instant coffee, I put the crystals and creamer 
in first, put some water in the cup (approx 2x the depth of the 
crystals), swirl the cup for about 10 seconds or so, then add more 
water. this process does not require use of a spoon (except as a 
measuring device, because coffee crystals need to be measured relatively 
accurate for maximal coffee goodness).


> Anyone remember the Burroughs B5500?

not old enough to remember this one.
pretty much my whole life x86 has been dominant, and x86 is itself older 
than I am (however, I do remember the DOS -> Windows transition and 
similar...).


or such...

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#113

On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32

From the release notes:

  ...
  New flag to unlock Commercial Features
  ...

-- 
Wayne

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#116

On 4/27/2012 12:04 AM, Wayne wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>
>  From the release notes:
>
>    ...
>    New flag to unlock Commercial Features
>    ...

Note that if you use that flag then Oracle will some money
from you!

Arne

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#117

On 27/04/2012 12:04 AM, Wayne wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>
>  From the release notes:
>
>    ...
>    New flag to unlock Commercial Features
>    ...

This is a disturbing direction that Java should not have taken. The base 
platform has always been free to use.

-- 
public final class JSnarker
extends JComponent
A JSnarker is an NNTP-aware component that asynchronously provides 
snarky output when the Ego.needsPuncturing() event is fired in cljp.

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#118

On 12-04-28 02:00 PM, javax.swing.JSnarker wrote:
> On 27/04/2012 12:04 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>>
>>  From the release notes:
>>
>>    ...
>>    New flag to unlock Commercial Features
>>    ...
> 
> This is a disturbing direction that Java should not have taken. The base
> platform has always been free to use.
> 
It's certainly worth keeping an eye on what Oracle is doing. I for
example don't much like the way that tutorials and examples for Oracle
SOA products are showing up on java.net: I have a feeling that not so
far down the road Oracle is going to use that exposure (and an audience
tat in many cases is naive) to start pushing some of their non-standard
SOA stuff as reference implementations [1].

However in this case your concern is misplaced. A year ago Oracle made
JRockit free. They have been working on converging their JVMs.  We can
use the JRockit JVM under essentially the same conditions as the Oracle
(Sun) JVM. All that Oracle kept commercial is JRockit advanced features;
that's what the flag is for.

In essence the base platform (and there is more base platform to wit) is
_still_ free to use. These commercial features are legit.

AHS

1. Note that ESBs, for example, are not overall governed by
specifications. Much of what they do is detailed by industry-standard
specs, but ESBs themselves aren't.

-- 
A fly was very close to being called a "land," cause that's what they do
half the time.
-- Mitch Hedberg

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#119

On 4/28/2012 1:00 PM, javax.swing.JSnarker wrote:
> On 27/04/2012 12:04 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>>
>> From the release notes:
>>
>> ...
>> New flag to unlock Commercial Features
>> ...
>
> This is a disturbing direction that Java should not have taken. The base
> platform has always been free to use.

The Java platform has always had multiple implementations.
Some free - some that cost money.

The reference implementation is free (OpenJDK is the
reference implementation now!).

Oracle has produced/acquired a number of Java implementations,
which always have been available under different conditions
from free to paying.

Now they have apparently decided to combine two
implementations in one and use a flag to switch
from one to another.

As long as it is clearly documented what is free
and what is free, then I can not see a problem with
that.

If you don't like it, then you just pick another
implementation.

Arne

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#114

On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32

One of the important "commercial features" no longer supported in
the free Java SE:

  Turn off JRE Auto Updates

See
<http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/standard-edition/advanced-suite/comparisons/index.html>.

(Does OpenJDK.net have pre-built installables for Windows?  The download page
only show how to get it for Linux.)

-- 
Wayne

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#120

On 4/27/2012 12:10 AM, Wayne wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>
> One of the important "commercial features" no longer supported in
> the free Java SE:
>
>    Turn off JRE Auto Updates
>
> See
> <http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/standard-edition/advanced-suite/comparisons/index.html>.
>
> (Does OpenJDK.net have pre-built installables for Windows?  The download page
> only show how to get it for Linux.)

According to:
 
http://www.adam-bien.com/roller/abien/entry/the_openjdk_windows_binary_download
then it should be available from:
   http://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/
but the site seems to be undergoing maintenance now.

Arne

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#122

On 4/28/2012 2:13 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 4/27/2012 12:10 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>>
>> One of the important "commercial features" no longer supported in
>> the free Java SE:
>>
>>    Turn off JRE Auto Updates
>>
>> See
>> <http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/standard-edition/advanced-suite/comparisons/index.html>.
>>
>>
>> (Does OpenJDK.net have pre-built installables for Windows?  The download page
>> only show how to get it for Linux.)
> 
> According to:
> 
> http://www.adam-bien.com/roller/abien/entry/the_openjdk_windows_binary_download
> then it should be available from:
>   http://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/
> but the site seems to be undergoing maintenance now.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 

Followup:  I install the 32-bit Oracle JDK version on my Windows 7 x64 machine,
and the option to disable updates is still showing in the control panel.  (Also,
as usual for some time now, there's no JavaDB installed or any mention of it
during the install.  No matter, it is easy enough to install Derby directly.)

-- 
Wayne

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#123

Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> then it should be available from:
>    http://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/
> but the site seems to be undergoing maintenance now.

Planned maintenance outage over the weekend, yes.

-- 

"I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." Dr Leonard McCoy <mccoy@ncc1701.starfleet.fed>
"I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert  <v_borchert@despammed.com>

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#124

On 4/30/2012 3:30 AM, Volker Borchert wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> then it should be available from:
>>     http://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/
>> but the site seems to be undergoing maintenance now.
>
> Planned maintenance outage over the weekend, yes.

And it is up now.

And the Windows binary is there.

But only in 32 bit.

Arne

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#125

On 4/30/2012 3:30 AM, Volker Borchert wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> then it should be available from:
>>     http://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/
>> but the site seems to be undergoing maintenance now.
>
> Planned maintenance outage over the weekend, yes.

Out of curiosity - are you related to java.net?

Arne

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#126

Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 4/30/2012 3:30 AM, Volker Borchert wrote:
> > Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >> then it should be available from:
> >>     http://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/
> >> but the site seems to be undergoing maintenance now.
> >
> > Planned maintenance outage over the weekend, yes.
> 
> Out of curiosity - are you related to java.net?

Only if having an account qualifies me as "related"... The outage had
been announced prominently on many of their pages for at least a week.

-- 

"I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." Dr Leonard McCoy <mccoy@ncc1701.starfleet.fed>
"I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert  <v_borchert@despammed.com>

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