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Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to)

Started byGene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net>
First post2012-05-08 08:51 -0700
Last post2012-05-20 22:33 -0400
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  Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-08 08:51 -0700
    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-08 17:14 -0300
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-05-08 15:36 -0500
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 13:51 -0700
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-05-08 16:01 -0500
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 14:15 -0700
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-05-08 16:41 -0500
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-08 15:19 -0700
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 15:21 -0700
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-08 15:05 -0700
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-08 19:12 -0300
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-10 19:05 -0700
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-08 21:03 -0400
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 20:52 -0700
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-05-09 06:58 -0400
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-05-09 12:04 -0700
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-09 10:06 -0700
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:20 -0400
                Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Bent C Dalager <bcd@pvv.ntnu.no> - 2012-05-11 09:09 +0000
                  Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-11 09:41 -0700
                    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) "javax.swing.JSnarker" <gharriman@boojum.mit.edu> - 2012-05-12 01:30 -0400
                      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Sleepy the Dwarf <std75821@gmail.com> - 2012-05-13 08:40 -0400
                    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-20 22:37 -0400
                      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-20 20:25 -0700
                      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Bent C Dalager <bcd@pvv.ntnu.no> - 2012-05-21 19:31 +0000
                  Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-20 22:35 -0400
                    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Bent C Dalager <bcd@pvv.ntnu.no> - 2012-05-21 19:26 +0000
                      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Kev Warren <k.warren312@noobnot.notnoob.org> - 2012-05-21 17:36 -0400
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 13:59 -0700
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-08 21:04 -0400
            Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-08 20:54 -0700
              Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:23 -0400
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-05-08 15:32 -0700
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-10 16:36 -0700
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-08 21:13 -0400
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-09 16:50 -0300
          Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:26 -0400
    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-08 21:19 -0400
    Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-05-09 14:42 -0700
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-05-10 17:07 -0500
      Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:19 -0400
        Re: Article: Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-20 22:33 -0400

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#14466

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2012-05-10 20:19 -0400
Message-ID<4fac5af7$0$288$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#14454
On 5/9/2012 5:42 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 08 May 2012 08:51:55 -0700, Gene Wirchenko<genew@ocis.net>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> www.infoworld.com/d/security/why-you-cant-dump-java-even-though-you-want-192622
>> InfoWorld Home / Security / Security Adviser
>> May 08, 2012
>> Why you can't dump Java (even though you want to)
>> So many recent exploits have used Java as their attack vector, you
>> might conclude Java should be shown the exit
>> By Roger A. Grimes | InfoWorld
>>
>>      Comments?
>
> If dumped something on finding the first security hole Windows would
> not have sold even one copy.  JavaScript has no security at all.  It
> does not even try.

Maybe you should learn a bit about JavaScript before writing about it.

JavaScript engine in a browser operates in a sandbox and has a
same origin policy. Which is not that far from Java applet model.

Arne

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#14701

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2012-05-20 22:33 -0400
Message-ID<4fb9a979$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#14466
On 5/10/2012 11:27 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj<arne@vajhoej.dk>  writes:
>> Maybe you should learn a bit about JavaScript before writing about it.
>
>    It is just true that whenever there is a security hole in a
>    browser with no fix yet, I read »in the meantime, one can
>    disable JavaScript as a workaround«.
>
>    Some years ago, I started to collect such reports as a
>    proof. But then I ceased to collect more such reports,
>    because I needed my time for other things. Thus, when my
>    records are dated now, this does not mean that there are no
>    more such reports today; I just do not collect them anymore.
>    If I would have continued, the list would be very much longer.
>    Having said this, here is a copy of a dated post of mine
>    with regard to JavaScript security from about 2006. At its
>    end, there is a long list of said reports.

[actual list omitted]

It is a long list.

But you can also find a long list for Java applets and Flash Player.

Even "not really executing code" plugins like AcrobatReader have
had security holes.

Arne

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