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  ctrl-c ctril-v Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-24 04:23 -0800
    Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2013-01-24 13:02 +0000
    Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-24 09:23 -0500
    Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-01-24 08:16 -0800
      Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-24 15:20 -0400
        Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-01-24 14:11 -0800
    Re: ctrl-c ctril-v bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2013-01-24 08:28 -0800
    Re: ctrl-c ctril-v "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-01-24 12:10 -0500
    Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2013-01-24 18:16 -0700
      Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 17:18 -0800
        Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2013-01-24 19:51 -0700
          Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 18:59 -0800
          Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-24 22:56 -0500
      Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-25 08:56 -0800
        Re: ctrl-c ctril-v Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2013-01-25 11:29 -0700

#21640 — ctrl-c ctril-v

Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?

They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development time.
The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the development 
time. 
~ Tom Cargill  Ninety-ninety Law 

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#21645

Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.

Don't think it is possible... 

Even if it were, then whatever other letters (with Ctrl) would 
get the Copy and Paste functionality, they might conflict with
some appliation's use for that respective other key.

E.g., if you set Copy to Ctrl-J and Paste to Ctrl-K and maybe
even Cut to Ctrl-Q,  then you may run into problems with apps
that use Ctrl-Q,J,K for other stuff.

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#21646

On 1/24/2013 7:23 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?

Within a Java GUI it should be easy.

It will not be as easy to outside of the Java GUI. And Java will
not be the right language to hook into the OS/WM/GUI framework.

> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.

But it is what people expect.

Arne

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#21654

On 1/24/13 4:23 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
>
> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.
>
FWIW, on the Mac it is Command-C/V, which is more convenient since 
Command is a thumb-pressed key, not a pinky-pressed.  This is true for 
most hot keys.

The equivalent on a PC would be pressing the Alt key for most hot-keys.

Having said that, a lot of applications allow you to remap hot keys, but 
it is per application.  No global solution that I know of. Probably 
could be done.

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#21659

On 01/24/2013 12:16 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
> On 1/24/13 4:23 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
>> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
>>
>> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.
>>
> FWIW, on the Mac it is Command-C/V, which is more convenient since
> Command is a thumb-pressed key, not a pinky-pressed.  This is true for
> most hot keys.
[ SNIP ]

I am an extremely fast two-fingered typist...to me it doesn't matter. :-)

AHS

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#21670

On 1/24/13 11:20 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> On 01/24/2013 12:16 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>> On 1/24/13 4:23 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
>>> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
>>>
>>> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.
>>>
>> FWIW, on the Mac it is Command-C/V, which is more convenient since
>> Command is a thumb-pressed key, not a pinky-pressed.  This is true for
>> most hot keys.
> [ SNIP ]
>
> I am an extremely fast two-fingered typist...to me it doesn't matter. :-)
>
> AHS
>
It's not always about speed. Comfort is part of it as well. I can type 
really fast with two fingers (thanks to apple iP{hone,ad,od}). My wrist 
gets tired doing so for long stretches.

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#21655

On Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:23:53 AM UTC-6, Roedy Green wrote:
> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
> 
> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
> 
> 
> 
> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
> 
> The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development time.
> 
> The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the development 
> 
> time. 
> 
> ~ Tom Cargill  Ninety-ninety Law

I used to use right-clicking on stuff to Copy/Paste in Windows.  Or the menu bar.  Or the copy and paste icons.

Sometimes if I don't like a hotkey, I'll use a Macro program, and I'll tell it to generate the Control C keystroke if I hit F12 or something.  There's a program called AutoHotkey for Windows that might do that.

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#21656

In article <1q92g8hfr69f0422pq5r81cqqlpfngkotj@4ax.com>,
 Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:

> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other 
> keystrokes besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or 
> Windows entirely?
> 
> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.

You can augment or replace the default key binding for a 
particular text component's "copy" and "paste" actions:

<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/misc/keybinding.html>

I've never tried to make a wholesale change.

-- 
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>

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#21678

Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> writes:

> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
>
> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.

This is a good thing.  Programmers should not copy/paste on a regular
basis.

But on Windows I normally use control-insert/shift-insert anyway.  No
need to reconfigure anything, it already works.  That's the key marked
"Ins", just left of the home key.

-- 
Jim Janney

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#21680

Jim Janney wrote:
> Roedy Green writes:
>> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
>> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
> 
>> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.
>
> This is a good thing.  Programmers should not copy/paste on a regular
> basis.

Ridiculous assertion.

I'm a programmer, and a good one at that, and I copy/paste dozens or hundreds 
of times a day.

Code.

-- 
Lew

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#21684

Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> writes:

> Jim Janney wrote:
>> Roedy Green writes:
>>> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
>>> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
>> 
>>> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.
>>
>> This is a good thing.  Programmers should not copy/paste on a regular
>> basis.
>
> Ridiculous assertion.

I wan't entirely serious when I wrote that.  However...

Any time I find myself faced with a lot of similar code, I do start
looking for ways to abstract out the similarities, in whatever language
I happen to be working in.  Java is particularly rich in ways to
accomplish this.  And for really trivial boilerplate code, any good
programming editor should provide ways to generate that that are both
more flexible and less error-prone than simple copy/paste.  Again,
Eclipse is particularly rich in ways to accomplish this.

I stand by my ridiculous assertion :-)

-- 
Jim Janney

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#21685

Jim Janney wrote:
> Lew writes:
>> Jim Janney wrote:
>>> This is a good thing.  Programmers should not copy/paste on a regular
>>> basis.
> 
>> Ridiculous assertion.
> 
> I wan't entirely serious when I wrote that.  However...
> 
> Any time I find myself faced with a lot of similar code, I do start
> looking for ways to abstract out the similarities, in whatever language
> I happen to be working in.  Java is particularly rich in ways to
> accomplish this.  And for really trivial boilerplate code, any good
> programming editor should provide ways to generate that that are both
> more flexible and less error-prone than simple copy/paste.  Again,
> Eclipse is particularly rich in ways to accomplish this.
> 
> I stand by my ridiculous assertion :-)

It's too broad.

Let's say I have a method name 'loadResourceFromBlarg()' and I'm programming with 
Eclipse or NetBeans or one of those editors. Now I could use Ctrl-space to get code 
completion, but if there are a number of 'loadResourceFromXxx()' methods, the completion 
list might take time. If there are many calls to the method of choice, I'll likely copy the 
method name once into the clipboard and repeatedly paste it.

Let's say I'm importing static a bunch of members from a utility class.

import static junit.framework.Assert.assertEquals
import static junit.framework.Assert.assertNotNull;
import static junit.framework.Assert.assertNotSame;
import static junit.framework.Assert.assertTrue;

It's much faster to copy "import static junit.framework.Assert.assert", repeatedly paste it 
and just type the part that varies.

This type of thing comes up a *lot*, so I copy and paste on a regular and frequent 
basis. This has nothing to do with the refactoring of which you spoke.

You're assertion was ridiculous because it banned legitimate uses of copy-paste.

-- 
Lew

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#21690

On 1/24/2013 9:51 PM, Jim Janney wrote:
> Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> writes:
>> Jim Janney wrote:
>>> Roedy Green writes:
>>>> Is it possible to reconfigure copy paste to some other keystrokes
>>>> besides ctrl-C ctrl-V either within Java or Windows entirely?
>>>
>>>> They are quite inconveniently placed in a dsk layout.
>>>
>>> This is a good thing.  Programmers should not copy/paste on a regular
>>> basis.
>>
>> Ridiculous assertion.
>
> I wan't entirely serious when I wrote that.  However...
>
> Any time I find myself faced with a lot of similar code, I do start
> looking for ways to abstract out the similarities, in whatever language
> I happen to be working in.  Java is particularly rich in ways to
> accomplish this.  And for really trivial boilerplate code, any good
> programming editor should provide ways to generate that that are both
> more flexible and less error-prone than simple copy/paste.  Again,
> Eclipse is particularly rich in ways to accomplish this.
>
> I stand by my ridiculous assertion :-)

Often code can be refactored, but sometimes it is not possible
either because of the type of code or because projects can not
depend on each other.

But there are also a lot besides Java code. Various Java EE
descriptor files, various log4j or Spring config files etc..

I think most developer do their part of copy paste.

Probably also get it wrong occasionally.

:-)

Binding all this to snippet shortcuts is only practical
for a few often used pieces. It will not work for the hundreds
or thousands of more rarely used pieces.

Arne

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#21705

On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:16:42 -0700, Jim Janney
<jjanney@shell.xmission.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

> Programmers should not copy/paste on a regular
>basis.

You mean should not clone code, right?   Lots of copy paste is
rearranging, refactoring, building tables from external sources etc.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development time.
The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the development 
time. 
~ Tom Cargill  Ninety-ninety Law 

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#21712

Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> writes:

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:16:42 -0700, Jim Janney
> <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
> someone who said :
>
>> Programmers should not copy/paste on a regular
>>basis.
>
> You mean should not clone code, right?   Lots of copy paste is
> rearranging, refactoring, building tables from external sources etc.

That is indeed the very thing that I mean, yes :-)  Although for most
refactoring I find Eclipse's builtin tools superior to doing it
manually.

-- 
Jim Janney

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