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  java software naming question mcheung63@gmail.com - 2013-01-07 01:11 -0800
    Re: java software naming question "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 01:21 -0800
    Re: java software naming question "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 01:26 -0800
    Re: java software naming question Muco <muco@nomail.com> - 2013-01-07 20:38 +1100
      Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 11:12 -0800
    Re: java software naming question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-01-07 07:03 -0800
      Re: java software naming question "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 07:08 -0800
      Re: java software naming question Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-01-07 08:34 -0800
        Re: java software naming question Magnus Warker <magnus@mailinator.com> - 2013-01-07 18:26 +0100
          Re: java software naming question markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-01-07 10:54 -0800
            Re: java software naming question "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-07 19:41 +0000
              Re: java software naming question Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-01-07 17:13 -0500
                Re: java software naming question Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-01-07 18:44 -0800
                Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-07 19:37 -0800
          Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-07 19:33 -0800
            Re: java software naming question Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2013-01-08 09:39 +0000
              Re: java software naming question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-08 20:26 -0500
                Re: java software naming question Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2013-01-09 09:32 +0000
                  Re: java software naming question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-09 18:41 -0500
                    Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-09 16:23 -0800
                      Re: java software naming question Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2013-01-10 09:44 +0000
                        Re: java software naming question lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-01-10 10:16 +0000
                          Re: java software naming question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-12 17:07 -0500
                        Re: java software naming question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-12 17:03 -0500
    Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 11:11 -0800
      Re: java software naming question lipska the kat <lipskathekat@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-01-07 19:48 +0000
      Re: java software naming question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-07 18:56 -0500
        Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 16:05 -0800
    Re: java software naming question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-07 18:55 -0500
    Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-07 18:04 -0800
      Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 18:33 -0800
        Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-07 19:57 -0800
          Re: java software naming question Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-01-07 20:11 -0800
          Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-07 23:05 -0600
            Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 09:40 -0800
              Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 11:18 -0800
                Re: java software naming question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-01-09 11:59 -0800
                  Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 23:20 -0800
                    Re: java software naming question Stuart <DerTopper@web.de> - 2013-01-10 09:32 +0100
                Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-10 01:09 -0600
              Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-09 23:59 -0600
                Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 23:36 -0800
          Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-07 21:46 -0800
        Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-07 21:58 -0600
          Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-08 00:19 -0800
          Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-08 00:22 -0800
            Re: java software naming question "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 00:30 -0800
              Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 09:41 -0800
              Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 10:51 -0800
                Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-09 23:27 -0600
            Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 07:07 -0800
              Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-08 09:31 -0600
                Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 07:36 -0800
            Re: java software naming question Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-01-08 08:47 -0800
              Re: java software naming question Stuart <DerTopper@web.de> - 2013-01-08 21:56 +0100
                Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 13:04 -0800
              Re: java software naming question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-01-08 14:14 -0800
                Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 15:19 -0800
                Re: java software naming question Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-01-08 16:22 -0800
                Re: java software naming question Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2013-01-09 09:34 +0000
                Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 09:50 -0800
                  Re: java software naming question Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-01-09 10:10 -0800
                    Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 10:49 -0800
              Re: java software naming question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-08 20:37 -0500
          Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-08 00:26 -0800
            Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 07:12 -0800
              Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-08 09:27 -0600
                Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 07:32 -0800
                  Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 09:55 -0800
                    Re: java software naming question Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-09 12:53 -0800
                      Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 23:37 -0800
                Re: java software naming question Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-01-08 08:50 -0800
            Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-08 09:26 -0600
              Re: java software naming question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-09 09:59 -0800
                Re: java software naming question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-09 23:31 -0600
      Re: java software naming question "Aryeh M. Friedman" <Aryeh.Friedman@gmail.com> - 2013-01-08 00:24 -0800
    Re: java software naming question johnjagu25@gmail.com - 2013-01-08 08:39 -0800

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#21144 — java software naming question

Hi
   My name is Peter, Asisn, In internet, western people love to name their software with a "s" ending, suchs as : windows, google docs.
   What is the reason? Is it easier to pronounce with a "s" sound? If my software doesn't end with a "s", will western people think it is hard to say that word?

thanks
from Peter

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#21145

On Monday, January 7, 2013 4:11:44 AM UTC-5, mche...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi
> 
>    My name is Peter, Asisn, In internet, western people love to name their software with a "s" ending, suchs as : windows, google docs.
> 
>    What is the reason? Is it easier to pronounce with a "s" sound? If my software doesn't end with a "s", will western people think it is hard to say that word?
> 
> 
> 
> thanks
> 
> from Peter

No we just like making stuff plural (I don't but marketing people seem to like it)

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#21146

On Monday, January 7, 2013 4:11:44 AM UTC-5, mche...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi
> 
>    My name is Peter, Asisn, In internet, western people love to name their software with a "s" ending, suchs as : windows, google docs.
> 
>    What is the reason? Is it easier to pronounce with a "s" sound? If my software doesn't end with a "s", will western people think it is hard to say that word?

Also  note that there are plenty of programs that are not pluralized like most java based applications (tomcats ikkkk!!)

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#21147

On 2013-01-07 20:11:44 +1100, mcheung63@gmail.com said:

> Hi
>    My name is Peter, Asisn, In internet, western people love to name 
> their software with a "s" ending, suchs as : windows, google docs.
>    What is the reason? Is it easier to pronounce with a "s" sound? If 
> my software doesn't end with a "s", will western people think it is 
> hard to say that word?
> 


Most definitely correct. People in western internet love to name their 
software with 's' ending.   Apart from it being easier to pronounce, 
ending a word with 's' helps prevent saliva being ejected from 
speaker's mouth into the face of listener. For example, ending a word 
with 'p' results in much saliva being ejected. Saliva spray can spread 
disease.

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#21162

Muco wrote:
> Most definitely correct. People in western internet love to name their 

Muco here is lying to you. Do not believe him.

Muco, us here do not think your post was amusing.

-- 
Lew

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#21155

On 1/7/2013 1:11 AM, mcheung63@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi
>     My name is Peter, Asisn, In internet, western people love to name their software with a "s" ending, suchs as : windows, google docs.
>     What is the reason? Is it easier to pronounce with a "s" sound? If my software doesn't end with a "s", will western people think it is hard to say that word?
>
> thanks
> from Peter
>

An MS Windows system does not just have one window. Google Documents did
not just support one document. Google switched to singular for Google
Drive, presumably because all of a given user's documents appear to be
on one virtual drive.

I think the general rule is that if the software named for something
user visible for which the user will see multiple instances it is likely
to have a plural name.

Patricia

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#21156

> I think the general rule is that if the software named for something
> 
> user visible for which the user will see multiple instances it is likely
> 
> to have a plural name.

Simpler explanation marketing people are clueless ;-)

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#21157

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 07:03:09 -0800, Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
wrote:

>On 1/7/2013 1:11 AM, mcheung63@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi
>>     My name is Peter, Asisn, In internet, western people love to name their software with a "s" ending, suchs as : windows, google docs.
>>     What is the reason? Is it easier to pronounce with a "s" sound? If my software doesn't end with a "s", will western people think it is hard to say that word?

>An MS Windows system does not just have one window. Google Documents did
>not just support one document. Google switched to singular for Google
>Drive, presumably because all of a given user's documents appear to be
>on one virtual drive.
>
>I think the general rule is that if the software named for something
>user visible for which the user will see multiple instances it is likely
>to have a plural name.

     True in general.

     Counterexample: Microsoft Word.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#21158

On 01/07/2013 05:34 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 07:03:09 -0800, Patricia Shanahan<pats@acm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/7/2013 1:11 AM, mcheung63@gmail.com wrote:

>>>      My name is Peter, Asisn, In internet, western people love to name their software with a "s" ending, suchs as : windows, google docs.
>>>      What is the reason? Is it easier to pronounce with a "s" sound? If my software doesn't end with a "s", will western people think it is hard to say that word?
>
>> An MS Windows system does not just have one window. Google Documents did
>> not just support one document. Google switched to singular for Google
>> Drive, presumably because all of a given user's documents appear to be
>> on one virtual drive.
>>
>> I think the general rule is that if the software named for something
>> user visible for which the user will see multiple instances it is likely
>> to have a plural name.
>
>       True in general.
>
>       Counterexample: Microsoft Word.

Cool! Is it java software?

Magnus

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#21159

On 1/7/2013 9:26 AM, Magnus Warker wrote:

> On 01/07/2013 05:34 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>       Counterexample: Microsoft Word.

> Cool! Is it java software?


I prefer to call it Javas.  Because the s makes it easier to say.  Also 
I use softwares, because there's more than one.  Also I say Microsoft 
Words, because it's easier to say and there's more than one words.

Honestly, I think we're being trolled, but the point is if you don't 
know English, hire a translator.

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#21163

markspace wrote:

> Honestly, I think we're being trolled, but the point is if you don't
> know English, hire a translator.

I don't.  I think it's one of the more interesting off-topic (but there's 
nothing wrong with that in moderation, and as long as it's interesting) 
questions I've seen for a while.

I wish I had a persuasive hypothesis to offer in return, but -- at least to 
date -- I haven't been able to think of one.

    -- chris

P.S. remember, programming is /all about/ communication. Names matter. 

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#21170

On 1/7/2013 2:41 PM, Chris Uppal wrote:
> markspace wrote:
>
>> Honestly, I think we're being trolled, but the point is if you don't
>> know English, hire a translator.
>
> I don't.  I think it's one of the more interesting off-topic (but there's
> nothing wrong with that in moderation, and as long as it's interesting)
> questions I've seen for a while.
>
> I wish I had a persuasive hypothesis to offer in return, but -- at least to
> date -- I haven't been able to think of one.
>
>      -- chris
>
> P.S. remember, programming is /all about/ communication. Names matter.

     That's why we have super-descriptive names like "Java," which
communicates the ideas "Big island in Indonesia" and "Body of water
adjoining Borneo" and "Language also known as Javanese."

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid

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#21183

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:13:44 -0500, Eric Sosman
<esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> wrote:

>On 1/7/2013 2:41 PM, Chris Uppal wrote:
>> markspace wrote:
>>
>>> Honestly, I think we're being trolled, but the point is if you don't
>>> know English, hire a translator.
>>
>> I don't.  I think it's one of the more interesting off-topic (but there's
>> nothing wrong with that in moderation, and as long as it's interesting)
>> questions I've seen for a while.
>>
>> I wish I had a persuasive hypothesis to offer in return, but -- at least to
>> date -- I haven't been able to think of one.
>>
>>      -- chris
>>
>> P.S. remember, programming is /all about/ communication. Names matter.
>
>     That's why we have super-descriptive names like "Java," which
>communicates the ideas "Big island in Indonesia" and "Body of water
>adjoining Borneo" and "Language also known as Javanese."

     ... and coffee.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#21186

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:13:44 -0500, Eric Sosman
<esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :

>     That's why we have super-descriptive names like "Java," which
>communicates the ideas "Big island in Indonesia" and "Body of water
>adjoining Borneo" and "Language also known as Javanese."

Place to grow great coffee.  Programmers like good coffee and work
long hours by staying alert drinking it. Programmers want a computer
language they associate with good coffee. Let's call it Java.  The
original logo was a steaming cup of coffee.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
Students who hire or con others to do their homework are as foolish 
as couch potatoes who hire others to go to the gym for them. 

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#21185

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:26:38 +0100, Magnus Warker
<magnus@mailinator.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

>>       Counterexample: Microsoft Word.
>
>Cool! Is it java software?

It is Microsoft's word processing software for windows dating back to
DOS days. Today you would use Open Office to process its documents.
Open Office is free.  Word is now running $180 for word 2010.  It is
part of the Office Suite which is $250 or $470 for the pro version. It
is licensed only for one user on one computer. 
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
Students who hire or con others to do their homework are as foolish 
as couch potatoes who hire others to go to the gym for them. 

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#21206

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:33:58 -0800, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:26:38 +0100, Magnus Warker
><magnus@mailinator.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
>said :
>
>>>       Counterexample: Microsoft Word.
>>
>>Cool! Is it java software?
>
>It is Microsoft's word processing software for windows dating back to
>DOS days. Today you would use Open Office to process its documents.
>Open Office is free.  Word is now running $180 for word 2010.  It is
>part of the Office Suite which is $250 or $470 for the pro version. It
>is licensed only for one user on one computer. 

Actually you'd use LibreOffice now ;-)
-- 
(\__/)  M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

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#21234

On 1/8/2013 4:39 AM, Mark wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:33:58 -0800, Roedy Green
> <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:26:38 +0100, Magnus Warker
>> <magnus@mailinator.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
>> said :
>>
>>>>        Counterexample: Microsoft Word.
>>>
>>> Cool! Is it java software?
>>
>> It is Microsoft's word processing software for windows dating back to
>> DOS days. Today you would use Open Office to process its documents.
>> Open Office is free.  Word is now running $180 for word 2010.  It is
>> part of the Office Suite which is $250 or $470 for the pro version. It
>> is licensed only for one user on one computer.
>
> Actually you'd use LibreOffice now ;-)

Same price.

Same software.

Arne

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#21245

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:26:48 -0500, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
wrote:

>On 1/8/2013 4:39 AM, Mark wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:33:58 -0800, Roedy Green
>> <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:26:38 +0100, Magnus Warker
>>> <magnus@mailinator.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
>>> said :
>>>
>>>>>        Counterexample: Microsoft Word.
>>>>
>>>> Cool! Is it java software?
>>>
>>> It is Microsoft's word processing software for windows dating back to
>>> DOS days. Today you would use Open Office to process its documents.
>>> Open Office is free.  Word is now running $180 for word 2010.  It is
>>> part of the Office Suite which is $250 or $470 for the pro version. It
>>> is licensed only for one user on one computer.
>>
>> Actually you'd use LibreOffice now ;-)
>
>Same price.

Yes.  And is the same price as all open source software.  I'm not sure
of the relevance of this though.

>Same software.

Not any more.
-- 
(\__/)  M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

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#21273

On 1/9/2013 4:32 AM, Mark wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:26:48 -0500, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/8/2013 4:39 AM, Mark wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:33:58 -0800, Roedy Green
>>> <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:26:38 +0100, Magnus Warker
>>>> <magnus@mailinator.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
>>>> said :
>>>>
>>>>>>         Counterexample: Microsoft Word.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cool! Is it java software?
>>>>
>>>> It is Microsoft's word processing software for windows dating back to
>>>> DOS days. Today you would use Open Office to process its documents.
>>>> Open Office is free.  Word is now running $180 for word 2010.  It is
>>>> part of the Office Suite which is $250 or $470 for the pro version. It
>>>> is licensed only for one user on one computer.
>>>
>>> Actually you'd use LibreOffice now ;-)
>>
>> Same price.
>
> Yes.  And is the same price as all open source software.

You are free to ask a million for whatever open source
software as long as you comply with the specific open source license.

>                                           I'm not sure
> of the relevance of this though.

Only that there are no difference in price choosing one over
the other.

>> Same software.
>
> Not any more.

They already managed to get them out of sync?

Arne

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#21274

Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>Mark wrote:
>>>> Actually you'd use LibreOffice now ;-)
> 
>>> Same price.
> 
>> Yes.  And is the same price as all open source software.
> 
> You are free to ask a million for whatever open source
> software as long as you comply with the specific open source license.

As does IBM, for example, with its mainframe Linux.

Red Hat, Tivo. Cisco and many others have sold Linux or other OSS for money.

The open-source software movement is very insistent that "free" means "Free as in speech, 
not as in beer."

You see this quote from the beginning of any effort to read about open-source software.

So there is no reason for anyone to believe that open-source software implies no cost.

-- 
Lew

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