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  Need porting of German AI into Java Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2012-12-04 11:55 -0800
    Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-12-05 14:34 -0800
      Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2012-12-06 11:16 -0800
    Re: Need porting of German AI into Java bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> - 2012-12-07 09:34 +0000
      Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2012-12-07 11:25 -0800
        Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-12-07 14:21 -0600
          Re: Need porting of German AI into Java markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-07 16:25 -0800
            Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-07 16:42 -0800
              Re: Need porting of German AI into Java "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-12-07 14:53 -1000
                Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-07 19:59 -0500
                  Re: Need porting of German AI into Java "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-12-07 15:26 -1000
                  Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-08 02:25 +0100
                    Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-07 20:30 -0500
                      Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-08 02:37 +0100
            Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2012-12-08 14:08 +0000
              Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-13 14:02 -0800
              Re: Need porting of German AI into Java "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-15 11:19 +0000
                Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 13:27 -0800
              Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2012-12-15 11:56 +0000
                Re: Need porting of German AI into Java "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-15 12:23 +0000
                Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 13:29 -0800
                Re: Need porting of German AI into Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 20:50 -0500

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#20098 — Need porting of German AI into Java

The Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) at

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/mindforth.txt

has been re-recreated in the German language at

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/DeKi.txt

and needs porting into the Java language.

There are no funds available for payment but
mega kudos will accrue to the successful Java
programmer who creates the Java True AI
based on the various AI Minds such as

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/AiMind.html

in English over JavaScript and the Russian

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/Dushka.html

also in JavaScript.

Mentifex (Arthur)
--
http://mind.sourceforge.net/java.html
http://www.listbox.com/subscribe/?list_id=303
http://www.chatbots.org/ai_zone/viewthread/240
http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Meme-ebook/dp/B007ZI66FS/

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#20120

On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:55:41 -0800 (PST), Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>
>http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/DeKi.txt
>
>and needs porting into the Java language.

So what human language and computer language is it in now, and what
human language / Java do you want to port it to?

What skills will a suitable candidate need?

What does it do?
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
Students who hire or con others to do their homework are as foolish 
as couch potatoes who hire others to go to the gym for them. 

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#20137

On Dec 5, 2:34 pm, Roedy Green <see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid>
wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:55:41 -0800 (PST), Mentifex <menti...@myuw.net>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>> http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/DeKi.txt
>
>> and needs porting into the Java language.
>
> So what human language

English; German; Russian;

> and computer language is it in now, and what

Forth; JavaScript

> human language / Java do you want to port it to?

all human languages, present and historical;
Java for robots; Java for Web domains.
>
> What skills will a suitable candidate need?

creativity and a sense that the world is mad;
>
> What does it do?

thinks.
> --
> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com

Arthur

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#20150

Mentifex wrote:
> The Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) at
>
> http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/mindforth.txt
>
> has been re-recreated in the German language at
>
> http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/DeKi.txt
>
> and needs porting into the Java language.

If it exists, presumably in the language
of the designer choice, why does it need
porting?

  BugBear

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#20159

On Dec 7, 1:34 am, bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote:
> Mentifex wrote:
>> The Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) at
>
>> http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/mindforth.txt
>
>> has been re-recreated in the German language at
>
>> http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/DeKi.txt
>
> > and needs porting into the Java language.
>
> If it exists, presumably in the language
> of the designer choice, why does it need
> porting?
>
>   BugBear

Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.

Mentifex (Arthur)

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#20161

Mentifex wrote:
>[massive *SNIP*]
>
> Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
> needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
> for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.
>
> Mentifex (Arthur)
>

The information content of that sentence is extremely close 
to 0.

My I suggest that you run it by 10 of your friends who are 
not involved with your AI project.
Ask them to paraphrase it.
Take that group of ten sentences and give them to a 
different set of ten friends.
Ask each of those friends to convey the information they 
received in a SINGLE sentence.

Do any of those sentences convey the same information as 
what you wrote?

P.S. - before retirement I often found myself as a 
"translator" between "disciplines". Interesting - as in old 
curse "may you live in interesting times" ;/

Signed: Professional Nitpicker {AKA QA/QC/Acceptance 
Inspector ;}

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#20162

On 12/7/2012 12:21 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Mentifex wrote:
>>
>> Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
>> needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
>> for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.
>>

>
> The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.

Huh.  I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?

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#20163

On 12/7/2012 4:25 PM, markspace wrote:
> On 12/7/2012 12:21 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> Mentifex wrote:
>>>
>>> Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
>>> needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
>>> for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.
>>>
>
>>
>> The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.
>
> Huh.  I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?

It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

Patricia

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#20164

On 12/7/12 2:42 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 12/7/2012 4:25 PM, markspace wrote:
>> On 12/7/2012 12:21 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> Mentifex wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
>>>> needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
>>>> for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>> The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.
>>
>> Huh.  I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?
>
> It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
> of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
> versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

Folks, this is Mentifex. We're used to low information content.

Cheers,
Elizabeth

-- 
==================================================
Elizabeth D. Rather   (US & Canada)   800-55-FORTH
FORTH Inc.                         +1 310.999.6784
5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com

"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
==================================================

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#20165

On 12/7/2012 7:53 PM, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
> On 12/7/12 2:42 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> On 12/7/2012 4:25 PM, markspace wrote:
>>> On 12/7/2012 12:21 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mentifex wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
>>>>> needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
>>>>> for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.
>>>
>>> Huh.  I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?
>>
>> It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
>> of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
>> versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.
>
> Folks, this is Mentifex. We're used to low information content.

This:
   http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
?

Arne

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#20168

On 12/7/12 2:59 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/7/2012 7:53 PM, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
>> On 12/7/12 2:42 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> On 12/7/2012 4:25 PM, markspace wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2012 12:21 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mentifex wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wotan Supercomputer Strong AI in 64-bit Linux iForth
>>>>>> needs porting into Java and other mainstream languages
>>>>>> for the sake of AI evolution and The Singularity.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The information content of that sentence is extremely close to 0.
>>>>
>>>> Huh.  I wonder if someone is testing out an AI on *us*?
>>>
>>> It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
>>> of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
>>> versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.
>>
>> Folks, this is Mentifex. We're used to low information content.
>
> This:
>    http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
> ?
>
> Arne

Yes.


-- 
==================================================
Elizabeth D. Rather   (US & Canada)   800-55-FORTH
FORTH Inc.                         +1 310.999.6784
5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com

"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
==================================================

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#20169

On 08/12/2012 01:59, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
> This:
>   http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
> ?

Call me biased, but I must say, having a whole page on the web with
citations from the pontifices of knowledge deriding one's name is quite
an impressive reference. Whoever that Mentifex guy is, may he make
strides in the pursuit of happiness.

-- 
DF.

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#20170

On 12/7/2012 8:25 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
> On 08/12/2012 01:59, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
>> This:
>>    http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
>> ?
>
> Call me biased, but I must say, having a whole page on the web with
> citations from the pontifices of knowledge deriding one's name is quite
> an impressive reference. Whoever that Mentifex guy is, may he make
> strides in the pursuit of happiness.

I will not attempt to judge who is right and who is wrong.

But obviously these posts are part of something that has being
going on for a long time.

So we have been warned.

Arne

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#20171

On 08/12/2012 02:30, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
> On 12/7/2012 8:25 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
>> On 08/12/2012 01:59, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
>>> This:
>>>    http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
>>> ?
>>
>> Call me biased, but I must say, having a whole page on the web with
>> citations from the pontifices of knowledge deriding one's name is quite
>> an impressive reference. Whoever that Mentifex guy is, may he make
>> strides in the pursuit of happiness.
> 
> I will not attempt to judge who is right and who is wrong.
> 
> But obviously these posts are part of something that has being
> going on for a long time.
> 
> So we have been warned.

Indeed! :D

-- 
DF.

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#20186

Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> writes:
> It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
> of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
> versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.

I tried to use Forth in my own AI development.  I tried really,
really hard.  But it just leaves too much "cockpit workload" when
the actual application of itself requires more brain cells than I have.
What strengths Forth still posesses WRT the rest of the world are
down near embedded apps, not up in high level ones.  IMHO.

Andy

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#20303

On Dec 8, 7:08 am, Andy Valencia <van...@vsta.org> wrote:
> What strengths Forth still posesses WRT the rest of the world are
> down near embedded apps, not up in high level ones.  IMHO.

I agree.

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#20352

Andy Valencia wrote:
> Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> writes:
> > It does seem strange. I would have thought Forth would be a good choice
> > of language for some types of AI, and any porting would be to other
> > versions of Forth, not to such a very different language as Java.
>
> I tried to use Forth in my own AI development.  I tried really,
> really hard.  But it just leaves too much "cockpit workload" when
> the actual application of itself requires more brain cells than I have.

Have you tried AI in Java ?  (Serious question)

    -- chris 

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#20363

Chris Uppal wrote:
> Have you tried AI in Java ?  (Serious question)

Check out the open-source dANN library at
http://www.syncleus.com/

-- 
Lew

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#20354

"Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> writes:
> Have you tried AI in Java ?  (Serious question)

I've done some large projects in Java, and found Java development to
be more like rigid old Fortran/C edit-compile-run development, even
with an IDE plus debugger.  Python's easily the best fit.

Andy Valencia
Home page: http://www.vsta.org/andy/
To contact me: http://www.vsta.org/contact/andy.html

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#20356

Andy Valencia wrote:
> "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> writes:
> > Have you tried AI in Java ?  (Serious question)
>
> I've done some large projects in Java, and found Java development to
> be more like rigid old Fortran/C edit-compile-run development, even
> with an IDE plus debugger.  Python's easily the best fit.

Thanks.

Which is more-or-less what I would have expected myself.  So I share Patricia's 
surprise that someone would be "porting" AI from Forth to /Java/.  Leaving it 
in Forth (or, as I suppose you would say, "/even/ leaving it in Forth") would 
be better ;-)

[By the way, for the c.l.f-ers in reading this.  I haven't used Forth enough 
myself to have any opinion at all on how well it would compete with -- say --  
Lisp or Python for AI]

    -- chris 

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