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  Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar clusardi2k@aol.com - 2012-08-02 11:30 -0700
    Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-02 14:59 -0400
      Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar clusardi2k@aol.com - 2012-08-02 12:11 -0700
        Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar "Steve W. Jackson" <stevewjackson@knology.net> - 2012-08-02 15:28 -0500
    Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2012-08-02 20:09 -0700
      Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar clusardi2k@aol.com - 2012-08-03 05:58 -0700
        Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2012-08-03 16:06 -0700
        Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-03 20:44 -0400
          Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-05 18:39 -0700
            Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-06 19:30 -0400
              Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Mike Winter <usenet@michael-winter.me.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:07 +0100
                Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-06 20:32 -0400
                Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 11:39 -0700
                  Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Mike Winter <usenet@michael-winter.me.invalid> - 2012-08-08 01:07 +0100
              Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-06 21:41 -0700
                Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 11:41 -0700
                  Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-07 14:17 -0700
                    Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 14:51 -0700
                      Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-07 19:53 -0700
                        Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 23:03 -0400
                    Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 23:01 -0400
                Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 23:00 -0400
    Re: Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-03 01:36 -0700

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#16970 — Code To Pick A Date From A Calendar

Does anyone have a link on the Internet to a project that shows how to build and display a calendar, and lets the user pick a date.

Thank you,

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#16971

On 8/2/2012 2:30 PM, clusardi2k@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone have a link on the Internet to a project that shows how to build and display a calendar, and lets the user pick a date.

     http://migcalendar.com/

> Thank you,

     You're most welcome.

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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#16999

On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote:
> On 8/2/2012 2:30 PM, clusardi2k@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have a link on the Internet to a project that shows how to build and display a calendar, and lets the user pick a date. http://migcalendar.com/ > Thank you, You're most welcome. -- Eric Sosman esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

That's too expensive for me! What about something free without any license?

Thank you,

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#17001

In article <9d328793-264c-41ed-8ca1-74dd9b93504c@googlegroups.com>,
 clusardi2k@aol.com wrote:

> On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Sosman wrote:
> > On 8/2/2012 2:30 PM, clusardi2k@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have a link on 
> > the Internet to a project that shows how to build and display a calendar, 
> > and lets the user pick a date. http://migcalendar.com/ > Thank you, You're 
> > most welcome. -- Eric Sosman esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid
> 
> That's too expensive for me! What about something free without any license?
> 
> Thank you,

You might try JCalendar, at <http://www.toedter.com/en/jcalendar/>.  But 
to be clear, it isn't "without any license" but simply licensed in a way 
that allows you to use it at no cost.
-- 
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama

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#17024

On 8/2/2012 11:30 AM, clusardi2k@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone have a link on the Internet to a project that shows how
> to build and display a calendar, and lets the user pick a date.
>
> Thank you,
>

Here is one I started some years ago.  It is not complete but it would 
give you an idea how I was thinking of doing one at the time.  I don't 
really know the state of the code as I haven't played with it in some time.

//
//
//
//  JDateChooser
//
//  Written by: Knute Johnson
//
//  Date        Version     Modification
//  ---------   ------- 
---------------------------------------------------
//  04 jun 05   01.00       incept
//
//
//  Constructor Summary
//      JDateChooser()
//          Creates a new JDateChooser with today's date displayed
//      JDateChooser(GregorianCalendar gc)
//          Creates a new JDateChooser with the specified date displayed
//
//  Method Summary
//      GregorianCalendar getCalendar()
//          Gets the selected date
//      void setCalendar(GregorianCalendar gc)
//          Sets and display's the specified date
//      static GregorianCalendar showDialog(Component comp)
//          Displays a JDateChooser in a modal JDialog and returns the
//           selected date or null if dismissed.
//      static GregorianCalendar showDialog(Component 
comp,GregorianCalendar gc)
//          Displays a JDateChooser in a modal JDialog with the 
specified date
//           and returns the selected date or null if dismissed.
//
//
//

package com.knutejohnson.components;

import java.awt.*;
import java.awt.event.*;
import java.text.*;
import java.util.*;
import javax.swing.*;

public class JDateChooser extends JComponent {
     /*
     private static final String[] dayStr =
      {"SUN","MON","TUE","WED","THU","FRI","SAT"};
      */
     private final String[] dayStr;

     private final String[] monthStr;
         /*
     private static final String[] monthStr =
      {"JANUARY ","FEBRUARY ","MARCH ","APRIL ","MAY ","JUNE ","JULY ",
       "AUGUST ","SEPTEMBER ","OCTOBER ","NOVEMBER ","DECEMBER "};
       */

     private GregorianCalendar gc;
     private int thisYear,thisMonth,today;
     private int selectedDay;

     private JButton previousButton,nextButton;
     private JLabel[] dayOfWeekLabels = new JLabel[7];
     private JLabel[] dayOfMonthLabels = new JLabel[42];
     private JLabel monthYearLabel;

     private static JDialog dialog;
     private static GregorianCalendar retcod;

     private final Locale locale;

     public JDateChooser() {
         this(new GregorianCalendar(),Locale.getDefault());
     }

     public JDateChooser(GregorianCalendar calendar, Locale locale) {
         gc = calendar;
         thisYear = gc.get(Calendar.YEAR);
         thisMonth = gc.get(Calendar.MONTH);
         today = selectedDay = gc.get(Calendar.DAY_OF_MONTH);

         this.locale = locale;
         DateFormatSymbols dfs = DateFormatSymbols.getInstance(locale);
         monthStr = dfs.getMonths();

         setLayout(new GridBagLayout());

         GridBagConstraints c = new GridBagConstraints();
         c.gridx = c.gridy = 0;  c.insets = new Insets(2,2,2,2);
         c.weightx = 1.0;

         c.anchor = GridBagConstraints.WEST;
         previousButton = new JButton("<");
         previousButton.addActionListener(new ActionListener() {
             public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent ae) {
                 gc.add(Calendar.MONTH,-1);
                 int mon = gc.get(Calendar.MONTH);
                 if (selectedDay > 
gc.getActualMaximum(Calendar.DAY_OF_MONTH))
                     selectedDay = 1;
                 drawCalendar();
             }
         });
         add(previousButton,c);

         ++c.gridx;  c.anchor = GridBagConstraints.CENTER;
         monthYearLabel = new JLabel("           ",JLabel.CENTER);
         add(monthYearLabel,c);

         ++c.gridx;  c.anchor = GridBagConstraints.EAST;
         nextButton = new JButton(">");
         nextButton.addActionListener(new ActionListener() {
             public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent ae) {
                 gc.add(Calendar.MONTH,1);
                 int mon = gc.get(Calendar.MONTH);
                 if (selectedDay > 
gc.getActualMaximum(Calendar.DAY_OF_MONTH))
                     selectedDay = 1;
                 drawCalendar();
             }
         });
         add(nextButton,c);

         MouseListener ml = new MouseAdapter() {
             public void mouseClicked(MouseEvent me) {
                 JLabel dayLabel = (JLabel)me.getSource();
                 String str = dayLabel.getText();
                 try {
                     int num = Integer.parseInt(str);
                     gc.set(Calendar.DAY_OF_MONTH,num);
                     selectedDay = num;
                     drawCalendar();
                 } catch (NumberFormatException nfe) {
                 }
             }
         };

         c.gridx = 0;  ++c.gridy;  c.gridwidth = 3;
         c.anchor = GridBagConstraints.CENTER;
         JPanel panel = new JPanel(new GridLayout(7,7,1,1));

         /*
         for (int i=0; i<dayStr.length; i++) {
             dayOfWeekLabels[i] = new JLabel(dayStr[i],JLabel.CENTER);
             panel.add(dayOfWeekLabels[i]);
         }
         */

         dayStr = dfs.getShortWeekdays();
         int firstDay = gc.getFirstDayOfWeek();
         for (int i=0; i<7; i++) {
             int x = firstDay + i;
             if (i == 6)
                 x = firstDay == Calendar.MONDAY ? Calendar.SUNDAY :
                  Calendar.SATURDAY;
             dayOfWeekLabels[i] =
              new JLabel(dayStr[x].toUpperCase(),JLabel.CENTER);
             panel.add(dayOfWeekLabels[i]);
         }

         for (int i=0; i<dayOfMonthLabels.length; i++) {
             dayOfMonthLabels[i] = new JLabel("  ",JLabel.CENTER);
             dayOfMonthLabels[i].setOpaque(true);
             dayOfMonthLabels[i].addMouseListener(ml);
             panel.add(dayOfMonthLabels[i]);
         }

         drawCalendar();

         add(panel,c);
     }

     private void drawCalendar() {
         int month = gc.get(Calendar.MONTH);
         int year = gc.get(Calendar.YEAR);

         monthYearLabel.setText(monthStr[month].toUpperCase() + " " +
          Integer.toString(year));

         gc.set(Calendar.DAY_OF_MONTH,1);
         int firstDayOfMonth = gc.get(Calendar.DAY_OF_WEEK);
         if (gc.getFirstDayOfWeek() == Calendar.MONDAY)
             --firstDayOfMonth;
         gc.set(Calendar.DAY_OF_MONTH,selectedDay);

         int day = 1;
         for (int i=0; i<42; i++) {
             if (i >= (firstDayOfMonth - 1) &&
 
i<(gc.getActualMaximum(Calendar.DAY_OF_MONTH)+firstDayOfMonth-1)) {
                 dayOfMonthLabels[i].setText(Integer.toString(day));
                 if (day == today && month == thisMonth && year == thisYear)
                     dayOfMonthLabels[i].setForeground(Color.RED);
                 else
                     dayOfMonthLabels[i].setForeground(Color.BLACK);
                 if (day == selectedDay)
                     dayOfMonthLabels[i].setBackground(new Color(0xa0a0a0));
                 else
                     dayOfMonthLabels[i].setBackground(Color.WHITE);
                 ++day;
             } else {
                 dayOfMonthLabels[i].setText("  ");
                 dayOfMonthLabels[i].setBackground(new Color(0xe0e0e0));
             }
         }
     }

     public GregorianCalendar getCalendar() {
         return new GregorianCalendar(gc.get(Calendar.YEAR),
          gc.get(Calendar.MONTH),selectedDay);
     }

     public void setCalendar(GregorianCalendar calendar) {
         gc = calendar;
         drawCalendar();
     }

     public static GregorianCalendar showDialog(Component comp) {
         return showDialog(comp, new 
GregorianCalendar(),Locale.getDefault());
     }

     public static GregorianCalendar showDialog(Component comp,
      GregorianCalendar calendar,Locale locale) {
         GridBagConstraints c = new GridBagConstraints();
         c.gridx = c.gridy = 0;  c.insets = new Insets(2,2,2,2);

         c.gridwidth = 2;
         JFrame f = new JFrame();
         dialog = new JDialog(f,"Select Date",true);
         dialog.setLayout(new GridBagLayout());
         dialog.addWindowListener(new WindowAdapter() {
             public void windowClosing(WindowEvent we) {
                 retcod = null;
             }
         });
         final JDateChooser dc = new JDateChooser(calendar,locale);
         dialog.add(dc,c);

         ++c.gridy;  c.gridwidth = 1;  c.anchor = GridBagConstraints.WEST;
         JButton okButton = new JButton("    OK    ");
         okButton.addActionListener(new ActionListener() {
             public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent ae) {
                 retcod = dc.getCalendar();
                 dialog.dispose();
             }
         });
         dialog.add(okButton,c);

         ++c.gridx;  c.anchor = GridBagConstraints.EAST;
         JButton cancelButton = new JButton("Cancel");
         cancelButton.addActionListener(new ActionListener() {
             public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent ae) {
                 retcod = null;
                 dialog.dispose();
             }
         });
         dialog.add(cancelButton,c);

         dialog.pack();
         dialog.setLocationRelativeTo(comp);
         dialog.setVisible(true);

         return retcod;
     }

     public void setFont(Font font) {
         previousButton.setFont(font);
         nextButton.setFont(font);
         for (int i=0; i<dayOfWeekLabels.length; i++)
             dayOfWeekLabels[i].setFont(font);
         for (int i=0; i<dayOfMonthLabels.length; i++)
             dayOfMonthLabels[i].setFont(font);
         monthYearLabel.setFont(font);
     }

     public static void main(String[] args) {
         Runnable r = new Runnable() {
             public void run() {
                 final JDateChooser dc = new JDateChooser();
                 final JFrame f = new JFrame();
                 f.setLayout(new FlowLayout());
                 f.setDefaultCloseOperation(JFrame.EXIT_ON_CLOSE);
                 f.add(dc);
                 final JButton b = new JButton("DateChooser");
                 b.addActionListener(new ActionListener() {
                     public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent ae) {
                         System.out.println(showDialog(b,new 
GregorianCalendar(Locale.FRANCE),Locale.FRANCE));
                     }
                 });
                 f.add(b);
                 f.pack();
                 f.setVisible(true);
             }
         };
         EventQueue.invokeLater(r);
     }
}




-- 

Knute Johnson

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#17035

> On Thursday, August 2, 2012 11:09:13 PM UTC-4, Knute Johnson wrote:

> Here is one I started some years ago.  It is not complete but it would 
> give you an idea how I was thinking of doing one at the time.  I don't 
> really know the state of the code as I haven't played with it in some time. 

Does the code you posted have a copyright.

Thanks,

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#17101

On 8/3/2012 5:58 AM, clusardi2k@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 2, 2012 11:09:13 PM UTC-4, Knute Johnson wrote:
>
>> Here is one I started some years ago.  It is not complete but it would
>> give you an idea how I was thinking of doing one at the time.  I don't
>> really know the state of the code as I haven't played with it in some time.
>
> Does the code you posted have a copyright.
>
> Thanks,
>

Feel free to steal this code.  If you can make any money with it, more 
power to you.

-- 

Knute Johnson

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#17104

On 8/3/2012 8:58 AM, clusardi2k@aol.com wrote:
> Does the code you posted have a copyright.

It is expected that code posted to usenet is free for
everybody to use for whatever. Otherwise there were
not really any point in posting it.

A lawyer would probably fell down from the chair
hearing about such "expectations", but ...

Arne

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#17237

On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:44:26 -0400, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
wrote:

>On 8/3/2012 8:58 AM, clusardi2k@aol.com wrote:
>> Does the code you posted have a copyright.
>
>It is expected that code posted to usenet is free for
>everybody to use for whatever. Otherwise there were
>not really any point in posting it.

     Nasty scenario: Get someone to use copyrighted code, and then sue
them for it.  Using a computing technique (modularisation), the poster
and the suer may be different individuals.

     Copyrighted code posted here is still copyrighted.

>A lawyer would probably fell down from the chair
>hearing about such "expectations", but ...

     Well, yes.

     OTOH, if the code is short, I think that that would weaken any
argument.  Most anything posted here (attachments excepted) would be
short.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#17274

On 8/5/2012 9:39 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:44:26 -0400, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
> wrote:
>> On 8/3/2012 8:58 AM, clusardi2k@aol.com wrote:
>>> Does the code you posted have a copyright.
>>
>> It is expected that code posted to usenet is free for
>> everybody to use for whatever. Otherwise there were
>> not really any point in posting it.
>
>       Nasty scenario: Get someone to use copyrighted code, and then sue
> them for it.  Using a computing technique (modularisation), the poster
> and the suer may be different individuals.

Strange things has happened before.

>       Copyrighted code posted here is still copyrighted.

Obviously code posted here is copyrighted.

The question is whether posting to usenet implicit
provides a "permissible license".

Web fora where users has to register can require an
explicit accept.

SO:

You agree that all Subscriber Content that You contribute to the Network 
is perpetually and irrevocably licensed to Stack Exchange under the 
Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license. You grant Stack 
Exchange the perpetual and irrevocable right and license to use, copy, 
cache, publish, display, distribute, modify, create derivative works and 
store such Subscriber Content and to allow others to do so in any medium 
now known or hereinafter developed (“Content License”) in order to 
provide the Services, even if such Subscriber Content has been 
contributed and subsequently removed by You.

E-E:

By registering with Experts Exchange and posting Your Content on the 
Site, you hereby: (i) grant Experts Exchange a non-exclusive, perpetual, 
irrevocable, unrestricted, transferable, fully sub-licensable, 
worldwide, royalty-free license to use, distribute, display, reproduce, 
perform, modify, adapt, publish, translate and create derivative works 
from Your Content in any form, media or technology, whether now-known or 
hereafter developed;

I would argue that usenet posts via tradition, logic and
similarity comes with an implicit license for free
usage by anyone.

Arne

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#17275

On 07/08/2012 00:30, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> Obviously code posted here is copyrighted.
>
> The question is whether posting to usenet implicit
> provides a "permissible license".
>
> Web fora where users has to register can require an
> explicit accept.
>
> SO:
>
> You agree that all Subscriber Content that You contribute to the Network
> is perpetually and irrevocably licensed to Stack Exchange under the
> Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license. You grant Stack
> Exchange the perpetual and irrevocable right and license to use, copy,
> cache, publish, display, distribute, modify, create derivative works and
> store such Subscriber Content and to allow others to do so in any medium
> now known or hereinafter developed (“Content License”) in order to
> provide the Services, even if such Subscriber Content has been
> contributed and subsequently removed by You.
>
> E-E:
>
> By registering with Experts Exchange and posting Your Content on the
> Site, you hereby: (i) grant Experts Exchange a non-exclusive, perpetual,
> irrevocable, unrestricted, transferable, fully sub-licensable,
> worldwide, royalty-free license to use, distribute, display, reproduce,
> perform, modify, adapt, publish, translate and create derivative works
> from Your Content in any form, media or technology, whether now-known or
> hereafter developed;
>
> I would argue that usenet posts via tradition, logic and
> similarity comes with an implicit license for free
> usage by anyone.

If I'm not mistaken, those sorts of licenses are merely to permit sites 
that retain user submissions to store that content and resend it others 
in some form (usually forums) without infringing on copyright. It 
doesn't automatically allow other users to use that content as it's the 
site that is granted the license--the work isn't placed into the Public 
Domain.

Of course, these licenses do mean that such websites could, in 
principle, take someones hard work and use it themselves even though the 
original creator retains ownership.

I would argue that the "to allow others" phrase in the Stack Exchange 
terms is intended to refer only to third-parties that work with them to 
provide or develop its services rather than others generally, but it's 
ill-defined here and could extend to anyone SE deems applicable.

Kind regards,
Mike


-- 
Michael Winter -- Not a lawyer!
Replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply by e-mail.

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#17276

On 8/6/2012 8:07 PM, Mike Winter wrote:
> On 07/08/2012 00:30, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>
>> Obviously code posted here is copyrighted.
>>
>> The question is whether posting to usenet implicit
>> provides a "permissible license".
>>
>> Web fora where users has to register can require an
>> explicit accept.
>>
>> SO:
>>
>> You agree that all Subscriber Content that You contribute to the Network
>> is perpetually and irrevocably licensed to Stack Exchange under the
>> Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license. You grant Stack
>> Exchange the perpetual and irrevocable right and license to use, copy,
>> cache, publish, display, distribute, modify, create derivative works and
>> store such Subscriber Content and to allow others to do so in any medium
>> now known or hereinafter developed (“Content License”) in order to
>> provide the Services, even if such Subscriber Content has been
>> contributed and subsequently removed by You.
>>
>> E-E:
>>
>> By registering with Experts Exchange and posting Your Content on the
>> Site, you hereby: (i) grant Experts Exchange a non-exclusive, perpetual,
>> irrevocable, unrestricted, transferable, fully sub-licensable,
>> worldwide, royalty-free license to use, distribute, display, reproduce,
>> perform, modify, adapt, publish, translate and create derivative works
>> from Your Content in any form, media or technology, whether now-known or
>> hereafter developed;
>>
>> I would argue that usenet posts via tradition, logic and
>> similarity comes with an implicit license for free
>> usage by anyone.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, those sorts of licenses are merely to permit sites
> that retain user submissions to store that content and resend it others
> in some form (usually forums) without infringing on copyright. It
> doesn't automatically allow other users to use that content as it's the
> site that is granted the license--the work isn't placed into the Public
> Domain.
>
> Of course, these licenses do mean that such websites could, in
> principle, take someones hard work and use it themselves even though the
> original creator retains ownership.
>
> I would argue that the "to allow others" phrase in the Stack Exchange
> terms is intended to refer only to third-parties that work with them to
> provide or develop its services rather than others generally, but it's
> ill-defined here and could extend to anyone SE deems applicable.

Without any limitation mentioned I would expect that other could be
literally anyone.

Study of "Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike" may provide more
insight, but I am not on SO so I do not care much.

Arne


Arne




Arne

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#17295

On Monday, August 6, 2012 5:07:18 PM UTC-7, Mike Winter wrote:
> On 07/08/2012 00:30, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> Obviously code posted here is copyrighted.
>>
>> The question is whether posting to usenet implicit
>> provides a "permissible license".
>>
>> Web fora where users has to register can require an
>> explicit accept.
> 
>> SO:
>>
>> You agree that all Subscriber Content that You contribute to the Network
> > is perpetually and irrevocably licensed to Stack Exchange under the
> > Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license. You grant Stack
> > Exchange the perpetual and irrevocable right and license to use, copy,
> > cache, publish, display, distribute, modify, create derivative works and
> > store such Subscriber Content and to allow others to do so in any medium
> > now known or hereinafter developed (“Content License”) in order to
> > provide the Services, even if such Subscriber Content has been
> > contributed and subsequently removed by You.
> ...
 
>> I would argue that usenet posts via tradition, logic and
>> similarity comes with an implicit license for free
>> usage by anyone.

> 
> If I'm not mistaken, those sorts of licenses are merely to permit sites 
> that retain user submissions to store that content and resend it others 
> in some form (usually forums) without infringing on copyright. It 
> doesn't automatically allow other users to use that content as it's the 
> site that is granted the license--the work isn't placed into the Public 
> Domain.
> 
> Of course, these licenses do mean that such websites could, in 
> principle, take someones hard work and use it themselves even though the 
> original creator retains ownership.
> 

The Creative Commons License explicitly allows that, yes.

> I would argue that the "to allow others" phrase in the Stack Exchange 
> terms is intended to refer only to third-parties that work with them to 
> provide or develop its services rather than others generally, but it's 
> ill-defined [sic] here and could extend to anyone SE deems applicable.

You'd be mistaken.

Stack Exchange explicitly specifies the Creative Commons Attribution 
Share Alike license. 

That's not ill defined and extends to everyone irrespective of whom SE 
deems applicable. It explicitly allows everyone access, not just SE. If they 
hadn't intended that, they wouldn't have specified a license that explicitly 
exists for the very purpose of extending universal access.

-- 
Lew

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#17310

On 07/08/2012 19:39, Lew wrote:
> On Monday, August 6, 2012 5:07:18 PM UTC-7, Mike Winter wrote:
>> I would argue that the "to allow others" phrase in the Stack Exchange
>> terms is intended to refer only to third-parties that work with them to
>> provide or develop its services rather than others generally, but it's
>> ill-defined [sic] here and could extend to anyone SE deems applicable.
>
> You'd be mistaken.
>
> Stack Exchange explicitly specifies the Creative Commons Attribution
> Share Alike license.

Unfortunately, as it was late I hadn't taken the time to read that 
license so you are of course correct with regard to its implications.

-- 
Mike Winter
Replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply by e-mail.

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#17287

On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:30:54 -0400, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
wrote:

>On 8/5/2012 9:39 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

[snip]

>>       Copyrighted code posted here is still copyrighted.
>
>Obviously code posted here is copyrighted.
>
>The question is whether posting to usenet implicit
>provides a "permissible license".
>
>Web fora where users has to register can require an
>explicit accept.
>
>SO:
>
>You agree that all Subscriber Content that You contribute to the Network 
>is perpetually and irrevocably licensed to Stack Exchange under the 
>Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license. You grant Stack 

     If I post code that I do not have the copyright for, I can not
give that right.  I can agree with it all I want, but that is not the
same thing.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#17296

Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>      If I post code that I do not have the copyright for, I can not
> give that right.  I can agree with it all I want, but that is not the
> same thing.

That's not the point. The point is that if you contribute code under 
that agreement, and you do not hold copyright, *you* are liable 
for the infringement, not the site.

-- 
Lew

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#17304

On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>      If I post code that I do not have the copyright for, I can not
>> give that right.  I can agree with it all I want, but that is not the
>> same thing.
>
>That's not the point. The point is that if you contribute code under 
>that agreement, and you do not hold copyright, *you* are liable 
>for the infringement, not the site.

     So?  The site is not going to get the right.

     This could lead to trouble if a programmer posts part of an
employer's app, say a useful function.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#17306

Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> Lew wrote:
>>Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>      If I post code that I do not have the copyright for, I can not
>>> give that right.  I can agree with it all I want, but that is not the
>>> same thing.
> 
>>That's not the point. The point is that if you contribute code under 
>>that agreement, and you do not hold copyright, *you* are liable 
>>for the infringement, not the site.
> 
>      So?  The site is not going to get the right.
> 
>      This could lead to trouble if a programmer posts part of an
> employer's app, say a useful function.

Trouble for whom?

That's the point.

The site's rules mean they aren't the ones who get in trouble.

It isn't about whether the site gets the right, it's about whether they
get the liability.

That explains why they make that rule. What more are you looking for?

-- 
Lew

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#17313

On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> Lew wrote:
>>>Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>>      If I post code that I do not have the copyright for, I can not
>>>> give that right.  I can agree with it all I want, but that is not the
>>>> same thing.
>> 
>>>That's not the point. The point is that if you contribute code under 
>>>that agreement, and you do not hold copyright, *you* are liable 
>>>for the infringement, not the site.
>> 
>>      So?  The site is not going to get the right.
>> 
>>      This could lead to trouble if a programmer posts part of an
>> employer's app, say a useful function.
>
>Trouble for whom?
>
>That's the point.
>
>The site's rules mean they aren't the ones who get in trouble.

     They could be the recipient of a cease-and-desist order.

>It isn't about whether the site gets the right, it's about whether they
>get the liability.
>
>That explains why they make that rule. What more are you looking for?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#17776

On 8/7/2012 10:53 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>> Lew wrote:
>>>> Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>>>       If I post code that I do not have the copyright for, I can not
>>>>> give that right.  I can agree with it all I want, but that is not the
>>>>> same thing.
>>>
>>>> That's not the point. The point is that if you contribute code under
>>>> that agreement, and you do not hold copyright, *you* are liable
>>>> for the infringement, not the site.
>>>
>>>       So?  The site is not going to get the right.
>>>
>>>       This could lead to trouble if a programmer posts part of an
>>> employer's app, say a useful function.
>>
>> Trouble for whom?
>>
>> That's the point.
>>
>> The site's rules mean they aren't the ones who get in trouble.
>
>       They could be the recipient of a cease-and-desist order.

The general practice in most countries for user provided content
is that:
- if the site removes illegal content when being notified about
   the problem then they are fine
- if the site does not do that then the courts go after the site

Arne

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