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  new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-04-26 13:29 -0700
    Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-04-26 21:30 +0000
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-26 14:52 -0700
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-04-27 08:20 -0400
          Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-28 09:19 -0700
            Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-04-28 12:30 -0700
              Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-28 14:24 -0700
                Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-04-28 21:04 -0700
                Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-04-29 08:39 +0000
                  Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-29 08:12 -0700
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-04-27 10:56 -0700
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-27 08:25 -0700
    Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Wayne <nospam@all.invalid> - 2012-04-27 00:04 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-27 18:10 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 "javax.swing.JSnarker" <gharriman@boojum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-28 13:00 -0400
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-28 15:07 -0300
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-28 14:09 -0400
    Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Wayne <nospam@all.invalid> - 2012-04-27 00:10 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-28 14:13 -0400
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Wayne <nospam@all.invalid> - 2012-04-28 18:08 -0400
        Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2012-04-30 07:30 +0000
          Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-30 18:52 -0400
          Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-01 19:49 -0400
            Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2012-05-03 21:00 +0000
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Leteeloheror <Leteeloheror.5i1lm0@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> - 2012-08-29 00:15 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Leteeloheror <Leteeloheror.5i1t0n@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> - 2012-08-29 03:11 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Leteeloheror <Leteeloheror.5i26fz@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> - 2012-08-29 08:02 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Leteeloheror <Leteeloheror.5i2erz@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> - 2012-08-29 10:53 -0400
      Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Leteeloheror <Leteeloheror.5i2n3z@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> - 2012-08-29 13:41 -0400
    Re: new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32 Gunter Herrmann <notformail0106@earthlink.net> - 2012-05-01 12:33 -0400

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#13927 — new JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32

New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
When you were a child, if you did your own experiment
to see if it was better to put to cocoa into your cup first
or the hot milk first, then you likely have the programmer gene..

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#13928

In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green wrote:

> When you were a child, if you did your own experiment
> to see if it was better to put to cocoa into your cup first
> or the hot milk first, then you likely have the programmer gene..

I don't remember that one, but I do remember trying grape juice
on cereal. If milk and grape juice were good to drink, and if
milk was good on cereal, then grape juice should also be good
on cereal, but it wasn't.

Anyone remember the Burroughs B5500?

-- glen

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#13929

glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
> In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green wrote:
>> When you were a child, if you did your own experiment
>> to see if it was better to put to cocoa into your cup first
>> or the hot milk first, then you likely have the programmer gene..
> 
> I don't remember that one, but I do remember trying grape juice
> on cereal. If milk and grape juice were good to drink, and if
> milk was good on cereal, then grape juice should also be good
> on cereal, but it wasn't.
> 
> Anyone remember the Burroughs B5500?

Tastes vary. I find grape juice, mango juice, those fruit smoothies in the "organic" aisle and many other fruity drinks quite delicious in cereal. You have to have the right cereal - not so good in Coco-Puffs, delicious in Grape-Nuts.

-- 
Lew

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#13941

On 26/04/2012 5:52 PM, Lew wrote:
> glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
>> I don't remember that one, but I do remember trying grape juice
>> on cereal. If milk and grape juice were good to drink, and if
>> milk was good on cereal, then grape juice should also be good
>> on cereal, but it wasn't.
>
> Tastes vary. I find grape juice, mango juice, those fruit smoothies in the "organic" aisle and many other fruity drinks quite delicious in cereal. You have to have the right cereal - not so good in Coco-Puffs, delicious in Grape-Nuts.

Hmm. Don't grape-nuts have a picture with fruit in the bowl? Maybe fruit 
juice works well with that sort of cereal and not so well with breakfast 
candy?

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#13968

On 4/27/2012 5:20 AM, David Lamb wrote:
> On 26/04/2012 5:52 PM, Lew wrote:
>> glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
>>> I don't remember that one, but I do remember trying grape juice
>>> on cereal. If milk and grape juice were good to drink, and if
>>> milk was good on cereal, then grape juice should also be good
>>> on cereal, but it wasn't.
>>
>> Tastes vary. I find grape juice, mango juice, those fruit smoothies in
>> the "organic" aisle and many other fruity drinks quite delicious in
>> cereal. You have to have the right cereal - not so good in Coco-Puffs,
>> delicious in Grape-Nuts.
>
> Hmm. Don't grape-nuts have a picture with fruit in the bowl? Maybe fruit
> juice works well with that sort of cereal and not so well with breakfast
> candy?
>

except that grape-nuts come in one of two states:
gravel (try eating this stuff straight and dry, not very good);
bland mostly-flavorless glop (it directly transmutes from gravel to glop 
given time and exposure to fluids, and not consistently either).

and is also generally associated with old-people.


so, fairly common I think is cereals somehow involving chocolate, fruit 
flavors, or sugar-coating.

example: cocoa-puffs, fruity-pebbles, fruit-loops, lucky charms, ...
(nevermind if the lucky-charms "marshmellows" are closer to a mixture of 
chalk and those "sweethearts" candies than to ordinary marshmellows...).


granted, usually if I eat cereal, it is often raisin bran, but usually 
because that is all my parents bought, and I guess with the other 
varieties there is much more temptation to use it as snack food than as 
cereal (sit around, use computer, eat hand-fulls of lucky charms or 
fruit-loops straight from the box, yeah...).

I think this is also why chex-mix is popular as well.


or such...

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#13974

BGB wrote:
> except that grape-nuts come in one of two states:
> gravel (try eating this stuff straight and dry, not very good);
> bland mostly-flavorless glop (it directly transmutes from gravel to glop given
> time and exposure to fluids, and not consistently either).
>
> and is also generally associated with old-people [sic].

Evidence, please?

Just because you have an idiosyncratic association doesn't mean the general 
public does.

Or such...

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg

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#13977

On 4/28/2012 12:30 PM, Lew wrote:
> BGB wrote:
>> except that grape-nuts come in one of two states:
>> gravel (try eating this stuff straight and dry, not very good);
>> bland mostly-flavorless glop (it directly transmutes from gravel to
>> glop given
>> time and exposure to fluids, and not consistently either).
>>
>> and is also generally associated with old-people [sic].
>
> Evidence, please?
>
> Just because you have an idiosyncratic association doesn't mean the
> general public does.
>

ever see people who aren't older who like the stuff?
hence, why it is as it is.

if something is usually only ever seen done by a certain demographic, it 
is something associated with that demographic.

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#14005

BGB wrote:
> Lew wrote:
>> BGB wrote:
>>> except that grape-nuts come in one of two states:
>>> gravel (try eating this stuff straight and dry, not very good);
>>> bland mostly-flavorless glop (it directly transmutes from gravel to
>>> glop given
>>> time and exposure to fluids, and not consistently either).
>>>
>>> and is also generally associated with old-people [sic].
>>
>> Evidence, please?
>>
>> Just because you have an idiosyncratic association doesn't mean the
>> general public does.
>
> ever see people who aren't older who like the stuff?

Sure.

But even had I not, that's not evidence.

> hence, why it is as it is.

Sorry, what? That sentence lacks antecedents. Also a logical connection from 
premise through evidence to conclusion.

> if something is usually only ever seen done by a certain demographic, it is
> something associated with that demographic.

Fine generality, but it doesn't apply here.

I'm still waiting for evidence. Do you have any?

Personally, I've loved Grape-Nuts since I grew teeth as a small child.

Doesn't one counter-example destroy your thesis?

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg

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#14012

BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/28/2012 12:30 PM, Lew wrote:
>> BGB wrote:
>>> except that grape-nuts come in one of two states:
>>> gravel (try eating this stuff straight and dry, not very good);
>>> bland mostly-flavorless glop (it directly transmutes from gravel to
>>> glop given
>>> time and exposure to fluids, and not consistently either).
>>> and is also generally associated with old-people [sic].
>> Evidence, please?
>> Just because you have an idiosyncratic association doesn't mean the
>> general public does.
> ever see people who aren't older who like the stuff?
> hence, why it is as it is.
> if something is usually only ever seen done by a certain demographic, it 
> is something associated with that demographic.

Or it might be just simply correlated to some particular medical aspect
that is itself correlated with progressed age. (I den't know for sure, though)

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#14031

On 4/29/2012 1:39 AM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
> BGB<cr88192@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 4/28/2012 12:30 PM, Lew wrote:
>>> BGB wrote:
>>>> except that grape-nuts come in one of two states:
>>>> gravel (try eating this stuff straight and dry, not very good);
>>>> bland mostly-flavorless glop (it directly transmutes from gravel to
>>>> glop given
>>>> time and exposure to fluids, and not consistently either).
>>>> and is also generally associated with old-people [sic].
>>> Evidence, please?
>>> Just because you have an idiosyncratic association doesn't mean the
>>> general public does.
>> ever see people who aren't older who like the stuff?
>> hence, why it is as it is.
>> if something is usually only ever seen done by a certain demographic, it
>> is something associated with that demographic.
>
> Or it might be just simply correlated to some particular medical aspect
> that is itself correlated with progressed age. (I den't know for sure, though)
>

could be. I am not sure the reason, only all of this has been my what I 
have seen (maybe potentially subject to sampling bias).

as far as I know, older people as well are the main ones who are all 
into "health" and going to doctors for things as well, and it was 
apparently advertised a lot for health in the 1960s-1980s, meaning they 
would have been exposed to it.


otherwise one would need to do randomized polls:
whether or not they like the stuff;
their current age;
...

and probably comparing against more common cereal types (corn flakes, 
raisin bran, bran flakes, ...) as well as sugary cereals (fruit loops, 
lucky charms, frosted flakes, ...).

and probably having defined age-ranges as well.

but, in my case, I don't really care all that much about all this though.


it could also try be determined whether it is itself a product of 
increasing age, or whether it is a product of "temporal environment" 
(say, certain events at certain lines leading to certain impacts on the 
people who experienced them).

it is like, older people also tend to prefer 60s music and make a big 
deal out of Vietnam and similar (or preferences for certain TV shows, ...).

this is not likely itself a product of aging given:
many of them were not old at the time when this stuff was going on;
another person from another time-frame (say, someone from the distant 
past or future), would likely have little reason to care about these 
things either.

but, at this point, it doesn't really much change matters (it doesn't 
matter for sake of demographics why something is the way it is, only 
that it is this way).

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#13947

If are having any trouble installing either
JDK 1.7.0_04 or 1.6.0_32
I have written some hand-holding notes at
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jdk.html
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
The population is aging, especially in Japan and 
there are not enough young people to take care of them. This will
stimulate the evolution of caretaker robots, at first
supervised and largely controlled remotely by human nurses.
Over time they will work more and more independently 
doing tasks like bathing, feeding, cleaning up, dispensing
medications and acting as companions by playing games 
and conversing. The technology can then be loosed on
mankind's most vexing problem -- being sexually 
attracted to people who have no interest back.
.

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#13945

On 4/26/2012 2:30 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
> In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green wrote:
>
>> When you were a child, if you did your own experiment
>> to see if it was better to put to cocoa into your cup first
>> or the hot milk first, then you likely have the programmer gene..
>
> I don't remember that one, but I do remember trying grape juice
> on cereal. If milk and grape juice were good to drink, and if
> milk was good on cereal, then grape juice should also be good
> on cereal, but it wasn't.
>

about 1 year ago this happened:
peanut butter works well on sandwiches;
cheese works on sandwiches;
microwaving works well on cheese sandwiches;
...

result was microwaving a peanut-butter and cheese sandwich...
the results were not very good (actually, the bread melted as well...).
also tasted like sour mud as well...


generally for things like instant coffee, I put the crystals and creamer 
in first, put some water in the cup (approx 2x the depth of the 
crystals), swirl the cup for about 10 seconds or so, then add more 
water. this process does not require use of a spoon (except as a 
measuring device, because coffee crystals need to be measured relatively 
accurate for maximal coffee goodness).


> Anyone remember the Burroughs B5500?

not old enough to remember this one.
pretty much my whole life x86 has been dominant, and x86 is itself older 
than I am (however, I do remember the DOS -> Windows transition and 
similar...).


or such...

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#13938

On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32

From the release notes:

  ...
  New flag to unlock Commercial Features
  ...

-- 
Wayne

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#13951

On 4/27/2012 12:04 AM, Wayne wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>
>  From the release notes:
>
>    ...
>    New flag to unlock Commercial Features
>    ...

Note that if you use that flag then Oracle will some money
from you!

Arne

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#13969

On 27/04/2012 12:04 AM, Wayne wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>
>  From the release notes:
>
>    ...
>    New flag to unlock Commercial Features
>    ...

This is a disturbing direction that Java should not have taken. The base 
platform has always been free to use.

-- 
public final class JSnarker
extends JComponent
A JSnarker is an NNTP-aware component that asynchronously provides 
snarky output when the Ego.needsPuncturing() event is fired in cljp.

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#13970

On 12-04-28 02:00 PM, javax.swing.JSnarker wrote:
> On 27/04/2012 12:04 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>>
>>  From the release notes:
>>
>>    ...
>>    New flag to unlock Commercial Features
>>    ...
> 
> This is a disturbing direction that Java should not have taken. The base
> platform has always been free to use.
> 
It's certainly worth keeping an eye on what Oracle is doing. I for
example don't much like the way that tutorials and examples for Oracle
SOA products are showing up on java.net: I have a feeling that not so
far down the road Oracle is going to use that exposure (and an audience
tat in many cases is naive) to start pushing some of their non-standard
SOA stuff as reference implementations [1].

However in this case your concern is misplaced. A year ago Oracle made
JRockit free. They have been working on converging their JVMs.  We can
use the JRockit JVM under essentially the same conditions as the Oracle
(Sun) JVM. All that Oracle kept commercial is JRockit advanced features;
that's what the flag is for.

In essence the base platform (and there is more base platform to wit) is
_still_ free to use. These commercial features are legit.

AHS

1. Note that ESBs, for example, are not overall governed by
specifications. Much of what they do is detailed by industry-standard
specs, but ESBs themselves aren't.

-- 
A fly was very close to being called a "land," cause that's what they do
half the time.
-- Mitch Hedberg

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#13971

On 4/28/2012 1:00 PM, javax.swing.JSnarker wrote:
> On 27/04/2012 12:04 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>>
>> From the release notes:
>>
>> ...
>> New flag to unlock Commercial Features
>> ...
>
> This is a disturbing direction that Java should not have taken. The base
> platform has always been free to use.

The Java platform has always had multiple implementations.
Some free - some that cost money.

The reference implementation is free (OpenJDK is the
reference implementation now!).

Oracle has produced/acquired a number of Java implementations,
which always have been available under different conditions
from free to paying.

Now they have apparently decided to combine two
implementations in one and use a flag to switch
from one to another.

As long as it is clearly documented what is free
and what is free, then I can not see a problem with
that.

If you don't like it, then you just pick another
implementation.

Arne

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#13939

On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32

One of the important "commercial features" no longer supported in
the free Java SE:

  Turn off JRE Auto Updates

See
<http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/standard-edition/advanced-suite/comparisons/index.html>.

(Does OpenJDK.net have pre-built installables for Windows?  The download page
only show how to get it for Linux.)

-- 
Wayne

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#13972

On 4/27/2012 12:10 AM, Wayne wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>
> One of the important "commercial features" no longer supported in
> the free Java SE:
>
>    Turn off JRE Auto Updates
>
> See
> <http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/standard-edition/advanced-suite/comparisons/index.html>.
>
> (Does OpenJDK.net have pre-built installables for Windows?  The download page
> only show how to get it for Linux.)

According to:
 
http://www.adam-bien.com/roller/abien/entry/the_openjdk_windows_binary_download
then it should be available from:
   http://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/
but the site seems to be undergoing maintenance now.

Arne

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#13980

On 4/28/2012 2:13 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 4/27/2012 12:10 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012 4:29 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> New versions of the JDK are out JDK 1.7.0_04 and 1.6.0_32
>>
>> One of the important "commercial features" no longer supported in
>> the free Java SE:
>>
>>    Turn off JRE Auto Updates
>>
>> See
>> <http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/standard-edition/advanced-suite/comparisons/index.html>.
>>
>>
>> (Does OpenJDK.net have pre-built installables for Windows?  The download page
>> only show how to get it for Linux.)
> 
> According to:
> 
> http://www.adam-bien.com/roller/abien/entry/the_openjdk_windows_binary_download
> then it should be available from:
>   http://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/
> but the site seems to be undergoing maintenance now.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 

Followup:  I install the 32-bit Oracle JDK version on my Windows 7 x64 machine,
and the option to disable updates is still showing in the control panel.  (Also,
as usual for some time now, there's no JavaDB installed or any mention of it
during the install.  No matter, it is easy enough to install Derby directly.)

-- 
Wayne

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