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Chrome for Android does not support JAVA

Started by"Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>
First post2012-02-15 20:50 +0800
Last post2012-04-02 19:55 -0400
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  Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 20:50 +0800
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:57 -0800
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 17:13 -0700
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 19:21 -0500
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 18:37 -0700
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2012-02-16 13:21 +1100
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 21:23 -0500
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2012-02-17 21:52 +1100
          Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 10:22 -0800
          Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-17 21:49 -0500
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2012-02-17 18:53 +0000
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-17 15:38 -0500
          Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-17 21:36 -0500
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-02-17 21:53 +0100
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-04-01 12:36 +0800
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-04-01 07:33 -0700
          Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-04-16 21:07 +0800
            Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-16 14:22 -0700
              Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-04-17 06:36 +0800
                Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-16 19:59 -0400
                  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-16 22:18 -0300
                    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-16 21:53 -0400
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-04-01 13:39 -0500
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> - 2012-04-01 13:50 -0700
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-04-01 17:28 -0500
          Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> - 2012-04-01 17:14 -0700
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-01 20:16 -0400
          Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-01 21:40 -0300
            Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> - 2012-04-01 19:00 -0700
              Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Silvio Bierman <silvio@moc.com> - 2012-04-02 10:45 +0200
            Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-01 22:19 -0400
              Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-02 07:09 -0300
                Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-02 20:02 -0400
                  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-04-02 20:41 -0700
                  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2012-04-02 22:42 -0500
                    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-04-03 08:13 -0700
                      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-04-03 09:46 -0700
                        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-03 19:42 -0400
                    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-03 19:35 -0400
                      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-04-03 17:04 -0700
                      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2012-04-04 03:36 +0000
                        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-04 19:35 -0400
                      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-04-04 18:42 +0000
                      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-04-04 18:42 +0000
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-01 20:20 -0400
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-04-02 20:25 +0800
          Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> - 2012-04-02 08:44 -0700
            Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-04-03 03:03 +0800
          Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-02 20:04 -0400
            Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-04-09 08:49 +0800
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-04-01 22:49 -0700
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-02 19:55 -0400

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#13366

Fromeric@invalid.com (EricF)
Date2012-04-04 03:36 +0000
Message-ID<jlgfjf$vj4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13358
In article <4f7b8943$0$286$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?UTF-8?B?QXJuZSBWYWpow7hq?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>On 4/2/2012 11:42 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>> On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> I think people actually like their PC's!
>>
>> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
>>
>> Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.
>>
>> I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.
>
>He believed in time sharing computers.
>
>And the widely spread quote may have been out of
>context - at least that is the claim at:
>   http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp
>
>Arne
>
>
Before Internet access was common, there was no reason for most non-developers 
to have a computer at home.

Eric

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#13399

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2012-04-04 19:35 -0400
Message-ID<4f7cdaae$0$288$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#13366
On 4/3/2012 11:36 PM, EricF wrote:
> In article<4f7b8943$0$286$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?UTF-8?B?QXJuZSBWYWpow7hq?=<arne@vajhoej.dk>  wrote:
>> On 4/2/2012 11:42 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> I think people actually like their PC's!
>>>
>>> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
>>>
>>> Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.
>>>
>>> I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.
>>
>> He believed in time sharing computers.
>>
>> And the widely spread quote may have been out of
>> context - at least that is the claim at:
>>    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp
>>
> Before Internet access was common, there was no reason for most non-developers
> to have a computer at home.

People could have wanted to run word process, spreadsheet or
accounting at home also.

But the price was a bit steep back then.

Arne

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#13376

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2012-04-04 18:42 +0000
Message-ID<jli4mh$np2$1@localhost.localdomain>
In reply to#13358
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:35:26 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 4/2/2012 11:42 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>> On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> I think people actually like their PC's!
>>
>> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
>>
>> Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.
>>
>> I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.
> 
> He believed in time sharing computers.
> 
> And the widely spread quote may have been out of context - at least that
> is the claim at:
>    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp
> 
...and the irony is that so many people have chained their social lives 
to computers via Twitter, Facebook etc.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#13377

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2012-04-04 18:42 +0000
Message-ID<jli4mi$np2$2@localhost.localdomain>
In reply to#13358
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:35:26 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 4/2/2012 11:42 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>> On 4/2/2012 7:02 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> I think people actually like their PC's!
>>
>> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
>>
>> Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation.
>>
>> I guess he also believed in "cloud" computing as well.
> 
> He believed in time sharing computers.
> 
> And the widely spread quote may have been out of context - at least that
> is the claim at:
>    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp
> 
...and the irony is that so many people have chained their social lives 
to computers via Twitter, Facebook etc.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#13290

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2012-04-01 20:20 -0400
Message-ID<4f78f0bc$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#13286
On 4/1/2012 2:39 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 6:50 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
>> Is anyone else gutted that the Chrome browser on Android will not support
>> JAVA, Flash or any other pluggin?
>>
>> I thought Google and Android were big on JAVA?
>
> I am starting to think that this whole idea of 'running applications
> in the cloud' will never work as well as running an application
> on the desktop.

It is 10+ years since many apps moved to web apps.

And whether the web app is hosted in house or in the cloud
does not have functional impact.

So it will work for many apps.

But there are probably also some apps that it will not work for.

> If I see the same thing with a choice of an applet or a jar file
> that I can download first and run on the PC, I now go for the jar
> file choice.
>
> The speed of the internet these days makes downloading things
> not an issue any more.
>
> People now think HTML5/Javascript is the next big thing, where
> everyone will write their wonderful advanced 20 million lines
> applications in HTML5 and Javascript.
>
> May be for simple games and basic app this will work, but
> for advanced applications where good and robust performance
> is important, running things directly on the desktop/computer
> will always be better than running things inside yet another
> software application like the browser.

HTML5/CSS/JS will still be mostly presentation layer.

For that purpose performance will be good enough for many
apps.

Arne

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#13298

From"Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>
Date2012-04-02 20:25 +0800
Message-ID<jlc5s9$2cc$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13290
"Arne Vajhøj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message 
news:4f78f0bc$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
> On 4/1/2012 2:39 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
> HTML5/CSS/JS will still be mostly presentation layer.
>
> For that purpose performance will be good enough for many
> apps.

For others the ability to share global memory in the form of Applet static 
variables across multiple tabs in a browser instance can be considered the 
Mutt's nuts! Multiplexing and multi-threading all tab/server communication 
over a single high-performance and secure binary TCP/IP Socket is also rich 
functionality-viagra for those who know how to take advantage of a 
persistent, full-duplex,  network connection.

But everyone is obviously free to continue to throw happiness away with both 
hands.

>
> Arne
>

Cheers Richard Maher

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#13299

FromThufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com>
Date2012-04-02 08:44 -0700
Message-ID<i4uo49-dc2.ln1@dur.bounceme.net>
In reply to#13298
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:25:46 +0800, Richard Maher wrote:


> For others the ability to share global memory in the form of Applet
> static variables across multiple tabs in a browser instance can be
> considered the Mutt's nuts! Multiplexing and multi-threading all
> tab/server communication over a single high-performance and secure
> binary TCP/IP Socket is also rich functionality-viagra for those who
> know how to take advantage of a persistent, full-duplex,  network
> connection.


Can you expand on that a bit with a use case?  By tab/server you mean 
client server?

The user has n tabs open on the browser to the same web app?


-Thufir

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#13300

From"Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>
Date2012-04-03 03:03 +0800
Message-ID<jlct6g$8ov$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13299
"Thufir" <hawat.thufir@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:i4uo49-dc2.ln1@dur.bounceme.net...
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:25:46 +0800, Richard Maher wrote:
>
>
>> For others the ability to share global memory in the form of Applet
>> static variables across multiple tabs in a browser instance can be
>> considered the Mutt's nuts! Multiplexing and multi-threading all
>> tab/server communication over a single high-performance and secure
>> binary TCP/IP Socket is also rich functionality-viagra for those who
>> know how to take advantage of a persistent, full-duplex,  network
>> connection.
>
>
> Can you expand on that a bit with a use case?  By tab/server you mean
> client server?
>
> The user has n tabs open on the browser to the same web app?
>

Yes! Multiple instances of an Applet in a single browser instance sharing 
Static class variables. In my case a Socket from a factory. (*With Single 
Sign-On!*)

>
> -Thufir

Cheers Richard Maher

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#13332

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2012-04-02 20:04 -0400
Message-ID<4f7a3e88$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#13298
On 4/2/2012 8:25 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
> "Arne Vajhøj"<arne@vajhoej.dk>  wrote in message
> news:4f78f0bc$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>> On 4/1/2012 2:39 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>> HTML5/CSS/JS will still be mostly presentation layer.
>>
>> For that purpose performance will be good enough for many
>> apps.
>
> For others the ability to share global memory in the form of Applet static
> variables across multiple tabs in a browser instance can be considered the
> Mutt's nuts! Multiplexing and multi-threading all tab/server communication
> over a single high-performance and secure binary TCP/IP Socket is also rich
> functionality-viagra for those who know how to take advantage of a
> persistent, full-duplex,  network connection.

True.

But there are a lot of apps that don't need what you describe.

Arne

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#13452

From"Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>
Date2012-04-09 08:49 +0800
Message-ID<jltbnj$psq$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13332
"Arne Vajhøj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message 
news:4f7a3e88$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
> On 4/2/2012 8:25 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
>> "Arne Vajhøj"<arne@vajhoej.dk>  wrote in message
>> news:4f78f0bc$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>>> On 4/1/2012 2:39 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>>> HTML5/CSS/JS will still be mostly presentation layer.
>>>
>>> For that purpose performance will be good enough for many
>>> apps.
>>
>> For others the ability to share global memory in the form of Applet 
>> static
>> variables across multiple tabs in a browser instance can be considered 
>> the
>> Mutt's nuts! Multiplexing and multi-threading all tab/server 
>> communication
>> over a single high-performance and secure binary TCP/IP Socket is also 
>> rich
>> functionality-viagra for those who know how to take advantage of a
>> persistent, full-duplex,  network connection.
>
> True.
>
> But there are a lot of apps that don't need what you describe.

True.

I am sure there are still many apps that get by with static pages, and there 
are even those who still yearn for the stability and simplicity of the 
LAMP/WAMP days. Yes, we are all in the gutter Arne, but some of us are 
looking at the Applets!

>
> Arne

Cheers Richard Maher
>
>

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#13295

FromRoedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid>
Date2012-04-01 22:49 -0700
Message-ID<jbfin7pmi4ltipuojuj0d44s45jud3qmp3@4ax.com>
In reply to#13286
On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:39:43 -0500, "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>I am starting to think that this whole idea of 'running applications
>in the cloud' will never work as well as running an application
>on the desktop.

Google is pulling the same stunt that Microsoft did long ago. They are
creating a variant jar file for to run Java apps on their platform.
They don't want apps developed for Android universally available.

They have more excuse than MS did.  You can't very will implement
Swing on a cell-phone, at least not this week.


-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
When you were a child, if you did your own experiment
to see if it was better to put to cocoa into your cup first
or the hot milk first, then you likely have the programmer gene..

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#13330

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2012-04-02 19:55 -0400
Message-ID<4f7a3c63$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#13295
On 4/2/2012 1:49 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> Google is pulling the same stunt that Microsoft did long ago. They are
> creating a variant jar file for to run Java apps on their platform.

Not a jar file.

> They don't want apps developed for Android universally available.

That does not seem as a logical explanation.

>                                      You can't very will implement
> Swing on a cell-phone, at least not this week.

It is technically possible.

See software like http://www.apogee.com/ !

But the UX is probably not that great.

Arne

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