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  the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 18:28 -0800
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-14 23:01 -0500
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 20:41 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-15 07:53 -0500
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-15 08:45 -0500
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2012-02-15 17:31 +0000
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2012-02-15 17:35 +0000
                Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-15 13:48 -0500
                Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 14:19 -0500
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 13:46 -0500
                Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 14:03 -0500
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 20:20 -0500
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 21:05 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.invalid> - 2012-02-16 00:01 +0000
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database markspace <-@.> - 2012-02-15 08:45 -0800
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 20:23 -0500
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-15 21:44 -0500
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:51 -0800
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2012-02-16 18:27 +1100
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-16 11:24 -0800
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-16 16:16 -0500
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-16 13:31 -0800
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-16 20:31 -0500
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-16 20:18 -0800
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2012-02-18 00:59 +1100
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:27 -0500
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 20:19 -0500
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 17:26 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:24 -0500
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2012-02-23 07:11 +0000
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-23 00:31 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2012-02-23 21:27 +0000
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-23 14:06 -0800

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#12068

On 16/02/2012 2:24 PM, Lew wrote:
> I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech.

Not quite, if I recall correctly the essence of the few articles I've 
read about them.  Anonymous has participated in big-news stuff like 
hacking and DDOS attacks, especially on corporate and government 
organizations that interfere with speech they want to protect. IIRC they 
originated on 4chan as a group that did all kinds of smaller stuff like 
tracking down Boxy and threatening her in order to get her to remove her 
YouTube videos. So, people they decide are stupid and/or evil don't seem 
to be accorded the right to free speech.

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#12069

David Lamb wrote:
> Lew wrote:
> > I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech.
> 
> Not quite, if I recall correctly the essence of the few articles I've 
> read about them.  Anonymous has participated in big-news stuff like 
> hacking and DDOS attacks, especially on corporate and government 
> organizations that interfere with speech they want to protect. IIRC they 
> originated on 4chan as a group that did all kinds of smaller stuff like 
> tracking down Boxy and threatening her in order to get her to remove her 
> YouTube videos. So, people they decide are stupid and/or evil don't seem 
> to be accorded the right to free speech.

How ironic that stupid and evil people like Anonymous would have the arrogance 
to set themselves up as arbiters of stupid and evil.

Their hypocrisy is objective evidence for my assessment of those jackasses.
They're just another band of crooks hiding their malfeasance behind bogus 
high-falutin' rhetoric that attempts to spray perfume over the stench of their 
necrotic souls.

-- 
Lew

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#12091

On 2/16/2012 4:16 PM, David Lamb wrote:
> On 16/02/2012 2:24 PM, Lew wrote:
>> I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech.
>
> Not quite, if I recall correctly the essence of the few articles I've
> read about them. Anonymous has participated in big-news stuff like
> hacking and DDOS attacks, especially on corporate and government
> organizations that interfere with speech they want to protect. IIRC they
> originated on 4chan as a group that did all kinds of smaller stuff like
> tracking down Boxy and threatening her in order to get her to remove her
> YouTube videos. So, people they decide are stupid and/or evil don't seem
> to be accorded the right to free speech.

     They even victimized the Scottish Organic Producers Association.
(See <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/23/freetard_sopa_fail/>
if the penny fails to drop.)

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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#12105

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:31:29 -0500, Eric Sosman
<esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote:

>On 2/16/2012 4:16 PM, David Lamb wrote:
>> On 16/02/2012 2:24 PM, Lew wrote:
>>> I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech.
>>
>> Not quite, if I recall correctly the essence of the few articles I've
>> read about them. Anonymous has participated in big-news stuff like
>> hacking and DDOS attacks, especially on corporate and government
>> organizations that interfere with speech they want to protect. IIRC they
>> originated on 4chan as a group that did all kinds of smaller stuff like
>> tracking down Boxy and threatening her in order to get her to remove her
>> YouTube videos. So, people they decide are stupid and/or evil don't seem
>> to be accorded the right to free speech.
>
>     They even victimized the Scottish Organic Producers Association.
>(See <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/23/freetard_sopa_fail/>
>if the penny fails to drop.)

     Sad.  I have submitted the link to the RISKS List.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#12123

Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> wrote:

>Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Lew wrote:
>> 
>> >On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:28:55 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
>> >> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
>> >> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>> >> 
>> >> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
>> >> that database.
>> >> 
>> >> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
>> >> business.
>> >
>> >Oh, so you support those criminal schmucks? Anonymous are tools. Idiots. 
>> >Vandals. Scum. Script kiddies. F**k Anonymous.
>> 
>> The first rule of computer security which you have just broken is to
>> avoid setting yourself up as a target. You probably already know the
>> HBGary story <http://tinyurl.com/4k6gzr9> and you must agree that the
>> vandalism was not carried out by "script kiddies".
>
>Are you threatening me?
>
>I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech. That's their line, anyway, 
>do schmuckly things in the name of individual rights, isn't it? Am I a bank? A 
>government? A spy agency? No, I'm just someone who's not afraid to point out 
>that Anonymous are evil, stupid bastards. And script kiddies. Assholes. They 
>should change their name to "AA" - "Assholes Anonymous".
>
>And I'm not afraid of you, either.

I am very sorry that I made you feel threatened. It was not my
intention.

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#12076

On 2/16/2012 2:27 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Lew<lewbloch@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:28:55 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
>>> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>>>
>>> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
>>> that database.
>>>
>>> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
>>> business.
>>
>> Oh, so you support those criminal schmucks? Anonymous are tools. Idiots.
>> Vandals. Scum. Script kiddies. F**k Anonymous.
>
> The first rule of computer security which you have just broken is to
> avoid setting yourself up as a target.

On the other hand I would say that the first rule of being a person
of character is not to let threats make you silent.

Arne

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#12047

On 2/14/2012 9:28 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>
> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
> that database.
>
> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
> business.

That is hoping a criminal group commits a crime against
a legal business.

Very close to encouraging such an act and thereby potentially
become liable if it actually happened.

Arne

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#12050

On Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:19:19 PM UTC-8, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 2/14/2012 9:28 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> > The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
> > Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
> >
> > So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
> > that database.
> >
> > A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
> > business.
> 
> That is hoping a criminal group commits a crime against
> a legal business.
> 
> Very close to encouraging such an act and thereby potentially
> become liable if it actually happened.

Not likely. Canada has a notion of the right to free speech, and it would be a 
hard sell to produce a preponderance of evidence that such an obviously 
emotional and hypothetical comment as this in any way adds to or incites 
Anonymous's stupid and hypocritical destructive actions. The worst you can 
legitimately accuse Roedy of is a boneheaded remark, not an actionable one.

-- 
Lew

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#12075

On 2/15/2012 8:26 PM, Lew wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:19:19 PM UTC-8, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 2/14/2012 9:28 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> The Olson timezone database is no more.  An astrology company,
>>> Astrolabe,  sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>>>
>>> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
>>> that database.
>>>
>>> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
>>> business.
>>
>> That is hoping a criminal group commits a crime against
>> a legal business.
>>
>> Very close to encouraging such an act and thereby potentially
>> become liable if it actually happened.
>
> Not likely. Canada has a notion of the right to free speech,

Usually "free speech" does not guarantee against criminal or
civil charges.

>                                                   and it would be a
> hard sell to produce a preponderance of evidence that such an obviously
> emotional and hypothetical comment as this in any way adds to or incites
> Anonymous's stupid and hypocritical destructive actions.

It has happen before that people and companies got sued even though the
causality between what they did and the issue are a bit thin.

Arne

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#12265 — Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back!

Happy news,

In what sounds like a sudden outbreak of common sense the lawsuit against
Olson and Eggert. There following is, believe it or not, a statement from
Astrolabe:

 "Astrolabe's lawsuit against Mr. Olson and Mr. Eggert was based on a flawed
 understanding of the law. We now recognize that historical facts are no
 one's property and, accordingly, are withdrawing our Complaint. We deeply
 regret the disruption that our lawsuit caused for the volunteers who
 maintain the TZ database, and for Internet users."

https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-wins-protection-time-zone-database

--
Fredrik Jonson

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#12266 — Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back!

On 02/22/2012 11:11 PM, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
> Happy news,
>
> In what sounds like a sudden outbreak of common sense the lawsuit against
> Olson and Eggert. There following is, believe it or not, a statement from
> Astrolabe:
>
>   "Astrolabe's lawsuit against Mr. Olson and Mr. Eggert was based on a flawed
>   understanding of the law. We now recognize that historical facts are no
>   one's property and, accordingly, are withdrawing our Complaint. We deeply
>   regret the disruption that our lawsuit caused for the volunteers who
>   maintain the TZ database, and for Internet users."
>
> https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-wins-protection-time-zone-database

Well, that sure earns my respect. Good on them for owning up so forthrightly.

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg

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#12277 — Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back!

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Lew wrote:

> On 02/22/2012 11:11 PM, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
>
>> In what sounds like a sudden outbreak of common sense the lawsuit against
>> Olson and Eggert. There following is, believe it or not, a statement from
>> Astrolabe:
>>
>>   "Astrolabe's lawsuit against Mr. Olson and Mr. Eggert was based on a flawed
>>   understanding of the law. We now recognize that historical facts are no
>>   one's property and, accordingly, are withdrawing our Complaint. We deeply
>>   regret the disruption that our lawsuit caused for the volunteers who
>>   maintain the TZ database, and for Internet users."
>> 
>> https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-wins-protection-time-zone-database
>
> Well, that sure earns my respect. Good on them for owning up so forthrightly.

I imagine the threat of the EFF's battle-hardened lawyers taking your 
dinner money does wonders for your for clarity of understanding:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/01/just-facts-lawsuit-against-timezone-database-deserves-sanctions

tom

-- 
Lilith doesn't exist, but it's an interesting story.

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#12281 — Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back!

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:27:58 +0000, Tom Anderson
<twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Lew wrote:
>
>> On 02/22/2012 11:11 PM, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
>>
>>> In what sounds like a sudden outbreak of common sense the lawsuit against
>>> Olson and Eggert. There following is, believe it or not, a statement from
>>> Astrolabe:
>>>
>>>   "Astrolabe's lawsuit against Mr. Olson and Mr. Eggert was based on a flawed
>>>   understanding of the law. We now recognize that historical facts are no
>>>   one's property and, accordingly, are withdrawing our Complaint. We deeply
>>>   regret the disruption that our lawsuit caused for the volunteers who
>>>   maintain the TZ database, and for Internet users."
>>> 
>>> https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-wins-protection-time-zone-database
>>
>> Well, that sure earns my respect. Good on them for owning up so forthrightly.
>
>I imagine the threat of the EFF's battle-hardened lawyers taking your 
>dinner money does wonders for your for clarity of understanding:

     Or possibly a more knowledgeable lawyer laying out the facts.

>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/01/just-facts-lawsuit-against-timezone-database-deserves-sanctions

     Let them save face.  Unless they try a stunt like this again,
best to let it lie.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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