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| Started by | Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> |
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| First post | 2011-10-13 10:44 -0700 |
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Ubunto Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-10-13 10:44 -0700
Re: Ubunto Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-13 22:27 +0200
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-14 01:08 +0000
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-14 14:21 +0100
Re: Ubunto B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> - 2011-10-14 17:00 -0400
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-14 22:20 +0000
Re: Ubunto B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> - 2011-10-15 01:16 -0400
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-15 12:21 +0000
Re: Ubunto B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> - 2011-10-15 15:42 -0400
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Ubuntu Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-10-15 13:01 -0700
Re: Ubuntu Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-10-15 16:49 -0400
Re: Ubuntu Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-16 00:57 +0000
Re: Ubuntu Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-17 00:51 +0100
Re: Ubuntu Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-10-16 22:12 -0400
Re: Ubuntu Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-17 21:21 +0000
Re: Ubuntu blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-18 14:50 +0000
Re: Ubuntu Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-10-18 08:59 -0700
Re: Ubuntu Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-18 18:19 +0200
Re: Ubuntu blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-18 17:43 +0000
Re: Ubuntu Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-18 22:18 +0200
Re: Ubuntu blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 13:26 +0000
Re: Ubuntu Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-19 00:18 +0000
Re: Ubuntu blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 13:27 +0000
Re: Ubuntu Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-19 19:39 +0000
Re: Ubuntu blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-20 14:15 +0000
Re: Ubuntu David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-10-20 12:24 -0400
Re: Ubuntu Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-20 20:53 +0100
Re: Ubuntu blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-21 16:24 +0000
Re: Ubuntu Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-22 20:38 +0100
Re: Ubuntu blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 07:03 +0000
Re: Ubuntu Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 23:23 -0700
Re: Ubuntu blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-21 16:24 +0000
Java 7 javadocs (was Re: Ubuntu) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-20 14:16 +0000
Re: Java 7 javadocs (was Re: Ubuntu) David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-10-20 12:27 -0400
Re: Java 7 javadocs (was Re: Ubuntu) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-06 15:44 -0500
Re: Ubuntu Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-20 20:53 +0100
Re: Ubuntu Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-20 17:05 -0700
Re: Ubuntu Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-17 00:32 +0100
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-15 15:06 +0100
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-15 15:59 +0000
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-15 17:15 +0100
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-15 16:48 +0000
Re: Ubunto B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> - 2011-10-15 15:45 -0400
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-16 00:17 +0000
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-16 23:40 +0100
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-16 23:50 +0000
Re: Ubunto B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> - 2011-10-15 15:46 -0400
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-16 23:44 +0100
Re: Ubunto B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> - 2011-10-16 20:41 -0400
Re: Ubunto Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-10-16 17:48 -0700
Re: Ubunto B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> - 2011-10-16 20:59 -0400
Re: Ubunto Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-10-16 11:39 +0300
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-16 11:22 +0000
Re: Ubunto Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-10-16 10:58 -0300
Re: Ubunto Dancing Fingers <batymahn@gmail.com> - 2011-10-21 01:51 -0700
Re: Ubunto Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-10-13 22:54 -0400
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-14 14:20 +0100
Re: Ubunto Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-10-15 13:04 -0700
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-16 01:03 +0000
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-17 00:31 +0100
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-17 00:29 +0000
Re: Ubunto Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-10-16 22:03 -0400
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-17 15:08 +0100
Re: Ubunto Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-06 15:49 -0500
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-17 21:29 +0000
Re: Ubunto Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-06 15:47 -0500
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-06 22:49 +0000
Re: Ubunto Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-06 17:13 -0800
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-07 23:49 +0000
Re: Ubunto markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-07 21:07 -0800
Re: Ubunto Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-17 16:47 +0100
Re: Ubunto B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> - 2011-10-16 20:55 -0400
Re: Ubunto Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-17 21:37 +0000
Re: Ubunto Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-10-16 22:14 -0400
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-10-15 15:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j7calb$33v$1@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #8818 |
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:06:59 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: > I mildly prefer GNOME 2 to XFCE. But i strongly prefer package-managed > software to build-it-yourself. I want a tool, not a hobby. > So, what are you planning to use instead? XFCE, KDE or will you just suffer on with G3? I think I'll stay with it until at G3.2 comes out and then think again depending on whether 3.2 fixes its most obvious deficiencies. Or not. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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| From | Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> |
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| Date | 2011-10-15 17:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.DEB.2.00.1110151708340.11733@urchin.earth.li> |
| In reply to | #8820 |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:06:59 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: > >> I mildly prefer GNOME 2 to XFCE. But i strongly prefer package-managed >> software to build-it-yourself. I want a tool, not a hobby. > > So, what are you planning to use instead? XFCE, KDE or will you just > suffer on with G3? Aqua! The advent of GNOME 3 has coincided closely enough with my switch from Linux to OS X at home that i have had a lucky escape. My own old netbook is now also on XFCE, but i don't use it all that much. At work, we've gone over to XFCE. In terms of usability, i am currently having more problems from the changes to autocompletion in bash 4.2 than from the desktop switch. There is at least one upside to moving off GNOME 2 at work: i no longer sit down at a machine to find that some enterprising colleague has completely broken the panels. > I think I'll stay with it until at G3.2 comes out and then think again > depending on whether 3.2 fixes its most obvious deficiencies. Or not. Brave man. It will be interesting to see what 3.2 is like. I'll probably install that, or more likely 3.3, when it comes out, just to see how things are progressing. I am also expecting a lot of GUI and application developers to jump ship from GNOME to XFCE, and so a surge in development for the latter. For example, there is not currently a maintained or integrated Exposé/Scale-like window switcher for XFCE, but i anticipate that there will be before too long. tom -- Desdemona may collide with either Cressida or Juliet within the next 100 million years.
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-10-15 16:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j7cdhd$491$1@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #8822 |
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:15:07 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: > Brave man. It will be interesting to see what 3.2 is like. I'll probably > install that, or more likely 3.3, when it comes out, just to see how > things are progressing. > According to Gnome.org, there is no 3.3 except as a bugfix/development/ unstable version. The next major release will be 3.4 which seems to have a roadmap full of builtins that IMO should be applications. I get the strong impression that the project is totally fixated on shiny,shiny and thinks that usability is boring. > I am also expecting a lot of GUI and application developers to jump ship > from GNOME to XFCE, and so a surge in development for the latter. For > example, there is not currently a maintained or integrated > Exposé/Scale-like window switcher for XFCE, but i anticipate that there > will be before too long. > IIRC XFCE is the default window manager for VNC. If so, I've used it but don't particularly like it. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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| From | B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> |
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| Date | 2011-10-15 15:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j7cns4$2g6$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #8823 |
On 15/10/2011 12:48 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: > According to Gnome.org, there is no 3.3 except as a bugfix/development/ > unstable version. The next major release will be 3.4 which seems to have > a roadmap full of builtins that IMO should be applications. > > I get the strong impression that the project is totally fixated on > shiny,shiny and thinks that usability is boring. Don't they eat their own dogfood over at Gnome HQ? -- A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028:C0011E36 in VXD VMM(01) 00010E36. The current application will be terminated. * Press any key to terminate the current application.
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 00:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j7d7qm$bgh$1@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #8827 |
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:45:09 -0400, B1ll Gat3s wrote: > On 15/10/2011 12:48 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: >> According to Gnome.org, there is no 3.3 except as a bugfix/development/ >> unstable version. The next major release will be 3.4 which seems to >> have a roadmap full of builtins that IMO should be applications. >> >> I get the strong impression that the project is totally fixated on >> shiny,shiny and thinks that usability is boring. > > Don't they eat their own dogfood over at Gnome HQ? You'd hope so, but it doesn't look like it: if they did, surely they'd have realised how much slower G3 is to use than G2 and done something about it. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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| From | Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 23:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.DEB.2.00.1110162324150.27716@urchin.earth.li> |
| In reply to | #8823 |
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:15:07 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: > >> Brave man. It will be interesting to see what 3.2 is like. I'll probably >> install that, or more likely 3.3, when it comes out, just to see how >> things are progressing. > > According to Gnome.org, there is no 3.3 except as a bugfix/development/ > unstable version. The next major release will be 3.4 which seems to have > a roadmap full of builtins that IMO should be applications. Right, well in that case, i certainly won't wait for 3.3! tom --
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 23:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j7fqjc$19j$1@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #8875 |
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:40:37 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Martin Gregorie wrote: > >> On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:15:07 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: >> >>> Brave man. It will be interesting to see what 3.2 is like. I'll >>> probably install that, or more likely 3.3, when it comes out, just to >>> see how things are progressing. >> >> According to Gnome.org, there is no 3.3 except as a bugfix/development/ >> unstable version. The next major release will be 3.4 which seems to >> have a roadmap full of builtins that IMO should be applications. > > Right, well in that case, i certainly won't wait for 3.3! > Just so's you know. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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| From | B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> |
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| Date | 2011-10-15 15:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j7cnu7$2g6$3@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #8818 |
On 15/10/2011 10:06 AM, Tom Anderson wrote: > A couple of people are maintaining forks, or things that look vaguely > like forks: > > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162 > http://k3rnel.net/2011/05/26/project-bluebubble/ > > The history of GNOME forks is not an encouraging one, though. These two > won't last through the winter. If G3 is as bad as people say, one of these might persist after dominating over the other, unlike the case where the official distribution is on a par qualtiy-wise with the forks. >> Just because it's no longer available at the same time as the OS with >> a one-stop shop doesn't mean it's impossible to get and install it, >> period, you know. > > We know. But it's largely irrelevant. I disagree. -- A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028:C0011E36 in VXD VMM(01) 00010E36. The current application will be terminated. * Press any key to terminate the current application.
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| From | Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 23:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.DEB.2.00.1110162341170.27716@urchin.earth.li> |
| In reply to | #8828 |
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, B1ll Gat3s wrote: > On 15/10/2011 10:06 AM, Tom Anderson wrote: >> A couple of people are maintaining forks, or things that look vaguely >> like forks: >> >> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162 >> http://k3rnel.net/2011/05/26/project-bluebubble/ >> >> The history of GNOME forks is not an encouraging one, though. These two >> won't last through the winter. > > If G3 is as bad as people say, one of these might persist after > dominating over the other, unlike the case where the official > distribution is on a par qualtiy-wise with the forks. It is possible, yes. However, at this point, i think a forked GNOME 2 is effectively in a competition with XFCE. GNOME 2 is currently ahead in terms of sophistication, but given the current sizes of the development communities, it won't stay that way. It's possible that XFCE will not develop to the same level of complexity as GNOME 2, and instead stay lean and simple; however, that would be the first time in recorded software history that this has happened. >>> Just because it's no longer available at the same time as the OS with >>> a one-stop shop doesn't mean it's impossible to get and install it, >>> period, you know. >> >> We know. But it's largely irrelevant. > > I disagree. Your disagreement, of course, is also irrelevant. I and thousands of other users have voted with our package managers. tom -- Well, traditionally they are the main constituent of boobs. -- Andrzej Rosa, on why lipids are popular
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| From | B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 20:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j7ftk8$ebc$3@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #8876 |
On 16/10/2011 6:44 PM, Tom Anderson wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, B1ll Gat3s wrote: >> On 15/10/2011 10:06 AM, Tom Anderson wrote: >>>> Just because it's no longer available at the same time as the OS with >>>> a one-stop shop doesn't mean it's impossible to get and install it, >>>> period, you know. >>> >>> We know. But it's largely irrelevant. >> >> I disagree. > > Your disagreement, of course, is also irrelevant. Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim. -- A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028:C0011E36 in VXD VMM(01) 00010E36. The current application will be terminated. * Press any key to terminate the current application.
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| From | Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 17:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <14784906.1168.1318812513142.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> |
| In reply to | #8884 |
B1ll Gat3s wrote: > Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim. Plonk. -- Lew
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| From | B1ll Gat3s <wm.g4t3s@m1cr0s0f7.c0m> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 20:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j7fum3$hjm$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #8885 |
On 16/10/2011 8:48 PM, Lew wrote: > B1ll Gat3s wrote: >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim. > > Plonk. Famous Last Word. -- A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028:C0011E36 in VXD VMM(01) 00010E36. The current application will be terminated. * Press any key to terminate the current application.
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| From | Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 11:39 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <j7e587$ra9$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #8767 |
Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:27:29 +0200, /Robert Klemme/: > On 13.10.2011 19:44, Roedy Green wrote: > >> There is a new release of Ubuntu Linux. >> Is there anything Java programmers should know? > > Not that I am aware of - unless you consider Gnome 2 mandatory for > Java development. I haven't worked with Gnome 3 yet and will > certainly install it in a VM before going life. :-) I've seen many replies complaining about Gnome 3, but I haven't seen anyone mentioning Unity - how does it compare? http://unity.ubuntu.com/ -- Stanimir
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 11:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j7eepj$kt6$1@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #8858 |
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:39:35 +0300, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: > Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:27:29 +0200, /Robert Klemme/: >> On 13.10.2011 19:44, Roedy Green wrote: >> >>> There is a new release of Ubuntu Linux. >>> Is there anything Java programmers should know? >> >> Not that I am aware of - unless you consider Gnome 2 mandatory for Java >> development. I haven't worked with Gnome 3 yet and will certainly >> install it in a VM before going life. :-) > > I've seen many replies complaining about Gnome 3, but I haven't seen > anyone mentioning Unity - how does it compare? > > http://unity.ubuntu.com/ > I've seen at least as many complaints about it as I've seen about G3. Most of the complaints have been similar to those about G3: people don't like its L&F and design, think its incomplete and/or rough round the edges and was originally released before it was ready. Hopefully somebody who has used it for more than a quick test will chip in with their impressions vs. G2. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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| From | Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 10:58 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <WpBmq.2811$vM2.643@newsfe03.iad> |
| In reply to | #8860 |
On 11-10-16 08:22 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:39:35 +0300, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: > >> Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:27:29 +0200, /Robert Klemme/: >>> On 13.10.2011 19:44, Roedy Green wrote: >>> >>>> There is a new release of Ubuntu Linux. >>>> Is there anything Java programmers should know? >>> >>> Not that I am aware of - unless you consider Gnome 2 mandatory for Java >>> development. I haven't worked with Gnome 3 yet and will certainly >>> install it in a VM before going life. :-) >> >> I've seen many replies complaining about Gnome 3, but I haven't seen >> anyone mentioning Unity - how does it compare? >> >> http://unity.ubuntu.com/ >> > I've seen at least as many complaints about it as I've seen about G3. > Most of the complaints have been similar to those about G3: people don't > like its L&F and design, think its incomplete and/or rough round the > edges and was originally released before it was ready. > > Hopefully somebody who has used it for more than a quick test will chip > in with their impressions vs. G2. > > Hopefully that someone will _not_ do that, seeing as how Ubuntu 11.10 *just* came out, and purportedly addresses a number of problems that folks had with the Unity interface in 11.04. A better assessment would be from someone who got some serious time in with 11.04 (I know a few such), and is now willing to use 11.10 for a few months and report back. I have tended to use Ubuntu for my Linux work for a few years, and with Ubuntu I wait about a half cycle (3 months) after each release to see if I'll even bother to get it. In this case I saw the Unity reviews so stuck with 10.10. Now I'll wait until early New Year and see if enough folks like 11.10, and then switch up. AHS -- I tend to watch a little TV... Court TV, once in a while. Some of the cases I get interested in. -- O. J. Simpson
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| From | Dancing Fingers <batymahn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-10-21 01:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f24ae62c-081b-4aee-adc8-f586dbfe1245@y8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #8858 |
I've run Eclipse, the JAVA development platform, in Debian for several years when I finally moved to Kubuntu. Eclipse runs ok but it can freeze up your X system and you have to kill it from an terminal session. Eclipse also tends to crash when you're doing a lot in the editor in Kubuntu - very annoying. Finally, the double-click option has never worked in Linux as it does in Windows. I still use it every day but I'm using Eclipse more and more on my Windows box. I do tend to use the latest Eclipse with the standard JAVA install so that might be part of it. That's my 2 cents. Chris
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2011-10-13 22:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4e97a45a$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> |
| In reply to | #8765 |
On 10/13/2011 1:44 PM, Roedy Green wrote: > There is a new release of Ubuntu Linux. > Is there anything Java programmers should know? Like a Linux distro is as the name indicates just a distribution of a bundle of software and that Java has dependencies on the kernel, glibc and the X stuff but not on the bundle itself? Arne
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| From | Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> |
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| Date | 2011-10-14 14:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.DEB.2.00.1110141420290.15658@urchin.earth.li> |
| In reply to | #8765 |
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Roedy Green wrote: > There is a new release of Ubuntu Linux. > Is there anything Java programmers should know? That Fedora is much better. tom -- Programming is a skill best acquired by practice and example rather than from books -- Alan Turing
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| From | Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-10-15 13:04 -0700 |
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| In reply to | #8786 |
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:20:40 +0100, Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >That Fedora is much better. In there anything you would want to tell programmers thinking of developing Java on Fedora? http://mindprod.com/jgloss/redhat.html is an entry a bit long in the tooth. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com It should not be considered an error when the user starts something already started or stops something already stopped. This applies to browsers, services, editors... It is inexcusable to punish the user by requiring some elaborate sequence to atone, e.g. open the task editor, find and kill some processes.
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-10-16 01:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j7dagn$bgh$4@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #8830 |
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:04:16 -0700, Roedy Green wrote: > On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:20:40 +0100, Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> > wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : > >>That Fedora is much better. > > In there anything you would want to tell programmers thinking of > developing Java on Fedora? > http://mindprod.com/jgloss/redhat.html is an entry a bit long in the > tooth. It just works. Out of the box the RedHat distros (RHEL - RedHat Enterprise Linux - and Fedora) use OpenJava, though you can easily switch to Oracle/Sun Java by simply downloading and installing it and changing the default search path ($PATH) so that compilers, etc are preferentially loaded from there rather than from OpenJava. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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