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How do you perceive programming? how do you look at the quality of software? Help needed with a quick survey!!!1

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#22747 — How do you perceive programming? how do you look at the quality of software? Help needed with a quick survey!!!1

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-06 13:38 -0800
Subject	How do you perceive programming? how do you look at the quality of software? Help needed with a quick survey!!!1
Message-ID	<ac598182-4b2f-48bd-bf55-4248facf66a3@googlegroups.com>

Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
	
	
Thanking You

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#22751

From	Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-06 15:25 -0800
Message-ID	<6fec3861-6d3c-4d9f-bdef-c358a6fe5b7d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22747

komal singh wrote:
> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers 
> and also how they look at the quality of software???

Please do not multipost.

And it only requires one question mark to indicate an interrogative.

And I decline.

-- 
Lew

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#22752

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-06 15:53 -0800
Message-ID	<9e9dcfc1-159e-4674-a7f9-bce1f869406a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22747

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
> 
> Thanking You

no need to show so much attitude... its my university project i'm asking help for not some cocky answer.

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#22753

From	Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-06 16:57 -0800
Message-ID	<f19a0999-5523-4b9d-978b-54ae89dc762d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22752

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:53:44 PM UTC-8, komal singh wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> 
> > Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
> 
> no need to show so much attitude... its [sic] my university project i'm [sic] asking help for not some cocky answer.

You're the one showing attitude. Please do not multipost. 

Do you really think being rude and demanding will get you any help?

Buh-bye, now. 

-- 
Lew

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#22756

From	Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de>
Date	2013-03-07 02:15 +0100
Message-ID	<1xp8c3isousld.wr6ij35jrq88$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#22752

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:53:44 -0800 (PST), komal singh wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
>> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 

>> Thanking You
> no need to show so much attitude... its my university project i'm asking help for not some cocky answer.

What a rude reply after littering our newsgroup with your multiple ill
formatted help requests.

Liebe Gruesse,
		Joerg

-- 
Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider
ungelesen.

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#22778

From	Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid>
Date	2013-03-07 06:07 -0800
Message-ID	<gn7hj8hnkdm3dgdl08hfb3fpulnhsi04j8@4ax.com>
In reply to	#22752

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:53:44 -0800 (PST), komal singh
<komalkorotana@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :

>no need to show so much attitude... its my university project i'm asking help for not some cocky answer.

You need a clearer question, or to break it into a number of
questions.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
One thing I love about having a website, is that when I complain about
something, I only have to do it once. It saves me endless hours of 
grumbling.

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#22764

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-07 01:28 -0800
Message-ID	<05d1d90a-5ee3-45ed-ada3-661e3e819040@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22747

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
> 
> Thanking You

Its a small request from a student and multi posting isnt offending you in anyway... you guys really need to relax. How is my request rude Lew?

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#22766

From	Magnus Warker <warker@mailinator.com>
Date	2013-03-07 11:13 +0100
Message-ID	<kh9p8c$g7h$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#22764

On 03/07/2013 10:28 AM, komal singh wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
>>  Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software???

> Its a small request from a student and multi posting isnt offending you in anyway... you guys really need to relax. How is my request rude Lew?

Hey, if trolling in usenet is your approach for writing a thesis then go 
to your adviser and ask for another topic!

Magnus

-- 
This is Unix-Land. In quiet nights, you can hear the Windows machines 
reboot.

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#22772

From	Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid>
Date	2013-03-07 14:47 +0200
Message-ID	<lvvc93ml5r.fsf@saunalahti.fi>
In reply to	#22764

komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com> writes:
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
>> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the
>> perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of

> Its a small request from a student and multi posting isnt offending you in

Having fun talking to yourself?

-- 
Jukka Lahtinen

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#22789

From	Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com>
Date	2013-03-07 17:55 +0100
Message-ID	<5138C694.4060302@telia.com>
In reply to	#22772

2013-03-07 13:47, Jukka Lahtinen skrev:
> komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
>>> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the
>>> perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of
> 
>> Its a small request from a student and multi posting isnt offending you in
> 
> Having fun talking to yourself?

He seems to have problems with using the right buttons/links in Google
Groups. Replies/followups should be directed to the post(er) he is
replying to. There is certainly some help available in the GG application.

-- 
Lars Enderin

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#22783

From	Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date	2013-03-07 10:57 -0500
Message-ID	<5138b8e1$0$32104$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to	#22764

On 3/7/2013 4:28 AM, komal singh wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
>> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software???
>
> Its a small request from a student and multi posting isnt offending you in anyway...

Most of us prefer to determine ourselves what offend us.

And multiposting is generally frowned on.

> you guys really need to relax.

I can strongly recommend that you look into the topic:
usenet netiquette.

Arne

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#22765

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-07 01:29 -0800
Message-ID	<98024930-9c47-47ee-8acd-ce88b61c041e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22747

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
> 
> Thanking You

its just a request regardless of the format its in.

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#22768

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-07 04:08 -0800
Message-ID	<9b7b6d91-b54b-4337-95d3-0be2b6d93ace@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22747

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
> 
> Thanking You

you clearly have no idea of what my disso is about and what i need doing.s o if you sad people can help then feel free otherwise stop wasting my time. you clearly have nothing else to do. if your so clever and smart why not take up the challenge and lets see if you can answer my questions.

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#22774

From	David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
Date	2013-03-07 08:30 -0500
Message-ID	<kha4md$ep5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#22768

On 07/03/2013 7:08 AM, komal singh wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
>> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of
 >> programmers and also how they look at the quality of software???
>
> you clearly have no idea of what my disso is about and what i need doing.s o
 > if you sad people can help then feel free otherwise stop wasting my 
time. you
 > clearly have nothing else to do. if your so clever and smart why not 
take up
 > the challenge and lets see if you can answer my questions.

I think you may not be familiar with the culture you've dived into with 
your multiple separate posts on the same subject. It's a practice that's 
been frowned upon in Usenet since its beginnings 30+ years ago. It may 
look like an overreaction to you, but that's because you didn't realize 
that, in this environment, multiposting is considered rude. Lots of 
people respond to rudeness with rudeness.

As to the questionnaire itself, in one of the separate places you posted 
this request I (politely, I think) asked if you were aware an internet 
survey like the one you proposed to email wouldn't give you any 
statistically valid information. If you just wanted a quick response to 
guide future work that would be one thing -- last fall I asked a brief 
question about how use cases were written in industry, for example, but 
that was never meant to be presented as legitimate research. There are 
plenty of professional programmers on this list who would consider it 
irresponsible to participate in an informal survey that was going to be 
portrayed as a research result. It is a *lot* of work to survey 
industrial practices properly; I have a colleague who has built a career 
on it.

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#22780

From	Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid>
Date	2013-03-07 06:10 -0800
Message-ID	<dq7hj898l40fo631jgg84c88ekk21m6tjv@4ax.com>
In reply to	#22768

On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 04:08:24 -0800 (PST), komal singh
<komalkorotana@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :

>
>you clearly have no idea of what my disso is about and what i need doing.s =
>o if you sad people can help then feel free otherwise stop wasting my time.=
> you clearly have nothing else to do. if your so clever and smart why not t=
>ake up the challenge and lets see if you can answer my questions. 

Oops.  See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsgroups.html

You are the one asking the favour.  You making the error of thinking
you are ENTITLED to an answer. Newsgroupers smell that sense of
entitlement the way sharks smell blood.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
One thing I love about having a website, is that when I complain about
something, I only have to do it once. It saves me endless hours of 
grumbling.

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#22785

From	Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date	2013-03-07 11:02 -0500
Message-ID	<5138ba04$0$32104$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to	#22768

On 3/7/2013 7:08 AM, komal singh wrote:
> you clearly have no idea of what my disso is about and what i need
> doing.s o if you sad people can help then feel free otherwise stop
> wasting my time. you clearly have nothing else to do. if your so
> clever and smart why not take up the challenge and lets see if you
> can answer my questions.

This is a discussion forum.

When you post something then don't be surprised if people
actually discuss it.

Another tip: if you want people to spend time helping you, then
be very polite and not demanding or aggressive.

Arne

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#22805

From	Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-07 13:39 -0800
Message-ID	<1fa18c8e-f4f9-4e06-ac3d-50c457d9f79f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22768

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:08:24 AM UTC-8, komal singh wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> 
> > Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
> 
> you clearly have no idea of what my disso is about and what i [sic] need doing.s o if you sad people can help

What is a "disso"?

> then feel free otherwise stop wasting my time. you clearly have nothing else to do. if your so clever 
> and smart why not take up the challenge and lets see if you can answer my questions.

You insult us and expect us to help? You are rude because you cop an attitude when you are supposedly 
ask for help. You call us names. You disregard good technical advice. You act as if you are the 
sole human incarnation of God Herself. Your grammar and survey technique indicate that you are 
not a very good researcher or well educated. Your defensiveness and prickly personality indicate 
that you are a very unpleasant person indeed. 

-- 
Lew

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#22808

From	David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
Date	2013-03-07 17:49 -0500
Message-ID	<khb5es$nop$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#22805

On 07/03/2013 4:39 PM, Lew wrote:
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:08:24 AM UTC-8, komal singh wrote:
>> you clearly have no idea of what my disso is about and what i [sic] need doing.s o if you sad people can help
>
> What is a "disso"?

Dissertation -- the writeup of his research.

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#22810

From	Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-07 15:25 -0800
Message-ID	<fb8f99da-c18c-41fb-ad58-d763e87f22d1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22808

David Lamb wrote:
> Lew wrote:
>> What is a "disso"?
> 
> Dissertation -- the writeup of his research.

Then why not just say "dissertation" instead of coining a new word for it?

Must be a seventh-grade (sixth-form) "disso", based on the methodology the OP describes.

-- 
Lew

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#22817

From	lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk">
Date	2013-03-08 09:09 +0000
Message-ID	<HZ6dnTHK9d8yN6TMnZ2dnUVZ8j2dnZ2d@bt.com>
In reply to	#22805

On 07/03/13 21:39, Lew wrote:
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:08:24 AM UTC-8, komal singh wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:

[snip]

> You act as if you are the
> sole human incarnation of God Herself.

[snip]

> Your defensiveness and prickly personality indicate
> that you are a very unpleasant person indeed.

Lew, really, this is YOU to a T ... surely you are not criticizing 
someone else for exhibiting identical character traits to your own?

While I'm here

Don't you find it illuminating that the large majority of new posters to 
cljp end up in a defensive position due to the relentless criticism they 
encounter from a notable few individuals in this group?

Time and again people are rudely informed of their failure to adhere to 
some nebulous set of rules imposed by you and Arne and a couple of 
others. Is it any wonder they fight back. You are the rudest and most 
unpleasant character I have encountered in a long while.

If you just answered the question then I suggest that much of the 
pointless noise in this group would simply disappear.

lipska

-- 
Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer
and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun

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