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  Basic Java Web Start question Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-12-14 21:16 +0000
    Re: Basic Java Web Start question markspace <-@.> - 2011-12-14 13:28 -0800
      Re: Basic Java Web Start question Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-12-14 22:19 +0000
        Re: Basic Java Web Start question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-14 18:27 -0500
        Re: Basic Java Web Start question David Segall <david@address.invalid> - 2011-12-16 00:09 +1100
    Re: Basic Java Web Start question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-15 03:18 -0800
      Re: Basic Java Web Start question Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-12-15 17:38 +0000
        Re: Basic Java Web Start question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-15 11:34 -0800
          Re: Basic Java Web Start question Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-12-16 21:13 +0000

#10744 — Basic Java Web Start question

I am interested in experimenting with Java Web Start a bit but I'm hitting 
a rather formidable obstacle that is keeping me from getting started. 

As I understand it, I need to set up some space on a server and set up a 
JNLP MIME type. 

I don't have such a server and the two hosting services I use for web stuff 
won't add the MIME type for me. (I realize that I could set up a server on 
my PC but if my experiments are successful, I'd like the code delivered by 
Java Web Start to be accessible 24x7. I don't want to leave my own computer 
up that much of every day.) 

Therefore, is there any free place you know of where I could set the JNLP 
MIME type (or have the administrator do it for me) and set up the Java Web 
Start infrastructure? 

I don't plan to go into Java Web Start in a big way with lots of 
applications and/or users but I would be interested in delivering a handful 
of programs to a handful of people this way. 

I can't afford to spend money on this so if there are no free places, 
that's fine, I'll just abandon the idea of Java Web Start until somewhere 
further down the road. 

-- 
Novice

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#10746

On 12/14/2011 1:16 PM, Novice wrote:
> I am interested in experimenting with Java Web Start a bit but I'm hitting
> a rather formidable obstacle that is keeping me from getting started.
>
> As I understand it, I need to set up some space on a server and set up a
> JNLP MIME type.
>

For first testing you can just download and install Apache on your own 
PC.  Works fine, and it's what I used to play around with JWS some time ago.

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#10752

markspace <-@.> wrote in news:jcb4dn$3dj$1@dont-email.me:

> On 12/14/2011 1:16 PM, Novice wrote:
>> I am interested in experimenting with Java Web Start a bit but I'm
>> hitting a rather formidable obstacle that is keeping me from getting
>> started. 
>>
>> As I understand it, I need to set up some space on a server and set
>> up a JNLP MIME type.
>>
> 
> For first testing you can just download and install Apache on your own
> PC.  Works fine, and it's what I used to play around with JWS some
> time ago. 
> 
> 
> 

Fair enough. I can certainly start there. But I'd still be interested in 
knowing of a free place that is up close to 24x7 where I can park my code 
once I get JWS figured out. 

-- 
Novice

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#10758

On 12/14/2011 5:19 PM, Novice wrote:
> markspace<-@.>  wrote in news:jcb4dn$3dj$1@dont-email.me:
>> On 12/14/2011 1:16 PM, Novice wrote:
>>> I am interested in experimenting with Java Web Start a bit but I'm
>>> hitting a rather formidable obstacle that is keeping me from getting
>>> started.
>>>
>>> As I understand it, I need to set up some space on a server and set
>>> up a JNLP MIME type.
>>>
>>
>> For first testing you can just download and install Apache on your own
>> PC.  Works fine, and it's what I used to play around with JWS some
>> time ago.
>>
>
> Fair enough. I can certainly start there. But I'd still be interested in
> knowing of a free place that is up close to 24x7 where I can park my code
> once I get JWS figured out.

Both the jar file and the JNLP file are just bytes server side, so
any free web server should work (only potential problem is if
MIME types will be a problem).

Arne

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#10773

Novice <novice@example..com> wrote:

>markspace <-@.> wrote in news:jcb4dn$3dj$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 12/14/2011 1:16 PM, Novice wrote:
>>> I am interested in experimenting with Java Web Start a bit but I'm
>>> hitting a rather formidable obstacle that is keeping me from getting
>>> started. 
>>>
>>> As I understand it, I need to set up some space on a server and set
>>> up a JNLP MIME type.
>>>
>> 
>> For first testing you can just download and install Apache on your own
>> PC.  Works fine, and it's what I used to play around with JWS some
>> time ago. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>Fair enough. I can certainly start there. But I'd still be interested in 
>knowing of a free place that is up close to 24x7 where I can park my code 
>once I get JWS figured out. 

I use my own machine, which is supposed to be up 24x7, because it is
faster (for me) than the free server at 000WebHost
<http://www.000webhost.com/>. I use 000WebHost as a failover server
when mine is down. The free version of 000WebHost is slow and FTP
transfers often fail because of that. They also insist that someone
visits your site regularly and you visit your account once a year. I
use the free Montastic <http://www.montastic.com/> for the former.
ZoneEdit <http://www.zoneedit.com/> handles the dynamic DNS at no
charge and their failover service costs one dollar a year.

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#10768

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Novice <novice@example..com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>As I understand it, I need to set up some space on a server and set up a 
>JNLP MIME type. 

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/isp.html

that migt be a good place to start your search.

another way to track one down is to search for JWS apps and see which
servers they are hosted on.

If you find some, please let me know to add to the list.

I could also help you. You could email me your jnlp and *.jar and I
could post them at http://mindprod.com/dropoff

That would be a pretty slow loop though.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
For me, the appeal of computer programming is that
even though I am quite a klutz,
I can still produce something, in a sense
perfect, because the computer gives me as many
chances as I please to get it right.
 

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#10778

Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in 
news:uilje759uau0so86klg9rct87v88jk8mc5@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:16:52 +0000 (UTC), Novice <novice@example..com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
> 
>>As I understand it, I need to set up some space on a server and set up a 
>>JNLP MIME type. 
> 
> see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/isp.html
> 
> that migt be a good place to start your search.
> 
> another way to track one down is to search for JWS apps and see which
> servers they are hosted on.
> 
> If you find some, please let me know to add to the list.
> 
> I could also help you. You could email me your jnlp and *.jar and I
> could post them at http://mindprod.com/dropoff
> 
> That would be a pretty slow loop though.

Thanks, Roedy.

I think I'll start by hosting the Java Web Start on my own machine so that 
I can get up to speed with what is involved. Based on what Arne said, I'll 
try my free hosting guys next and see if the lack of a JNLP MIME type poses 
a problem. If that doesn't work out, I'll follow your suggestions and see 
where that takes me.  

-- 
Novice

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#10780

On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:38:45 +0000 (UTC), Novice <novice@example..com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>Thanks, Roedy.
>
>I think I'll start by hosting the Java Web Start on my own machine so that 
>I can get up to speed with what is involve

you can have a look at my JNLP for
http://mindprod.com/webstart/esper.html
http://mindprod.com/webstart/setclock.html
http://mindprod.com/webstart/replicator.html

It is lot easier to tweak something that already works than compose it
from scratch.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
For me, the appeal of computer programming is that
even though I am quite a klutz,
I can still produce something, in a sense
perfect, because the computer gives me as many
chances as I please to get it right.
 

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#10811

Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in
news:rqike79ki341bbm73ierdioqdctljmhtor@4ax.com: 

> On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:38:45 +0000 (UTC), Novice <novice@example..com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
> 
>>Thanks, Roedy.
>>
>>I think I'll start by hosting the Java Web Start on my own machine so
>>that I can get up to speed with what is involve
> 
> you can have a look at my JNLP for
> http://mindprod.com/webstart/esper.html
> http://mindprod.com/webstart/setclock.html
> http://mindprod.com/webstart/replicator.html
> 
> It is lot easier to tweak something that already works than compose it
> from scratch.

You're absolutely right about that. Well, most of the time anyway ;-) 
Sometimes, an example can be more confusing than helpful if it is too 
complex. But I'll give your examples the benefit of the doubt and take a 
look when I get a minute....

Thanks!

-- 
Novice

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