Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.lang.java.programmer > #17936 > unrolled thread

Re: Swing

Back to article view | Back to comp.lang.java.programmer

Contents

  Re: Swing "Roedy Green" <roedy.green@1:261/38.remove-s96-this> - 2012-08-16 19:16 +0000
    Re: Swing "Qu0ll" <qu0ll@1:261/38.remove-rj6-this> - 2012-08-18 18:36 +0000
      Re: Swing "Arne Vajhøj" <arne.vajhøj@1:261/38.remove-v8v-this> - 2012-08-19 18:11 +0000
        Re: Swing "Qu0ll" <qu0ll@1:261/38.remove-fzq-this> - 2012-08-20 18:58 +0000
          Re: Swing "markspace" <markspace@1:261/38.remove-fzq-this> - 2012-08-20 18:58 +0000

#17936 — Re: Swing

  To: bob smith
From: "Roedy Green" <roedy.green@1:261/38.remove-73m-this>

  To: bob smith
From: "Roedy Green" <roedy.green@1:261/38.remove-z1z-this>

  To: bob smith
From: Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid>

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:04:33 -0700 (PDT), bob smith
<bob@coolfone.comze.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :

>Is Swing still pretty much the standard for Java graphics?  Or has it finally
been replaced by something better?

Oracle is pushing JavaFX, but I don't think it will go anywhere. It does not 
integrate. So Swing is it for now.

--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com A new scientific truth 
does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but 
rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that 
is familiar with it.
~ Max Planck 1858-04-23 1947-10-04

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
--- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#18001

  To: Roedy Green
From: "Qu0ll" <qu0ll@1:261/38.remove-4g4-this>

  To: Roedy Green
From: "Qu0ll" <qu0ll@1:261/38.remove-s96-this>

  To: Roedy Green
From: "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com>

"Roedy Green"  wrote in message
news:5csl28pian0391sl4iehdl47hp289i5ai7@4ax.com...

> Oracle is pushing JavaFX, but I don't think it will go anywhere. It
> does not integrate. So Swing is it for now.

Doesn't integrate???  With what exactly?  JavaFX is just another Java API, is 
now included as part of the JDK (as of 7 Update 6), interoperates seamlessly 
with Swing, works with all standard Java SE packages, works well with other 
JVM-based languages and has some very, very impressive features. If you want to 
develop new GUI apps with Java then JavaFX is a "no brainer" as they say in the 
states.

Swing will hang around for a long time yet but is not being actively developed 
by Oracle anymore and good luck trying to get any bugs in it fixed.  They are 
pouring an enormous amount of resources into JavaFX and rightly so - it's great 
technology.

IMHO you'd be nuts to start a new project with Swing instead of FX.

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
--- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#18091

  To: Qu0ll
From: "Arne Vajhoj" <arne.vajhoj@1:261/38.remove-7rm-this>

  To: Qu0ll
From: "Arne Vajhoj" <arne.vajhoj@1:261/38.remove-rj6-this>

  To: Qu0ll
From: Arne Vajhoj <arne@vajhoej.dk>

On 8/16/2012 5:14 AM, Qu0ll wrote:
> "Roedy Green"  wrote in message
> news:5csl28pian0391sl4iehdl47hp289i5ai7@4ax.com...
>> Oracle is pushing JavaFX, but I don't think it will go anywhere. It
>> does not integrate. So Swing is it for now.
>
> Doesn't integrate???  With what exactly?

Roedy probably just made it up.

You should not be surprised if you never get an an answer.

>                                  JavaFX is just another Java
> API, is now included as part of the JDK (as of 7 Update 6),
> interoperates seamlessly with Swing, works with all standard Java SE
> packages, works well with other JVM-based languages and has some very,
> very impressive features.

JavaFX is 10 years newer than Swing and it shows.

>                      If you want to develop new GUI apps with Java
> then JavaFX is a "no brainer" as they say in the states.
>
> Swing will hang around for a long time yet but is not being actively
> developed by Oracle anymore and good luck trying to get any bugs in it
> fixed.  They are pouring an enormous amount of resources into JavaFX and
> rightly so - it's great technology.
>
> IMHO you'd be nuts to start a new project with Swing instead of FX.

JavaFX is certainly worth considering.

But one may have a need to support a platform where JavaFX is not available 
yet.

Arne

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
--- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#18217

  To: Arne Vajhøj
From: "Qu0ll" <qu0ll@1:261/38.remove-8mo-this>

  To: Arne Vajhoj
From: "Qu0ll" <qu0ll@1:261/38.remove-v8v-this>

  To: Arne Vajhoj
From: "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com>

"Arne Vajhoj"  wrote in message
news:502ef432$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

>> Doesn't integrate???  With what exactly?
>
> Roedy probably just made it up.
>
> You should not be surprised if you never get an an answer.

We you are probably right but it's just such a ridiculous comment as one of 
JavaFX's strongest selling points is its ability to integrate.  Perhaps Roedy 
is thinking of the old JavaFX versions 1.x when it wasn't a Java API and relied 
on a proprietary new language named JavaFX Script.  JavaFX 2.x is completely 
different and, as I said, integrates with anything JVM-based.

> JavaFX is 10 years newer than Swing and it shows.

Yes, it is based on a completely new hardware accelerated graphics engine named 
Prism and new windowing toolkit named Glass.  It is feature-rich and fast.  The 
properties and binding framework on its own is worth the price of admission. 
The number of standard controls is growing constantly and includes a 
WebKit-based WebView control that supports HTML 5 and CSS 3 and JavaScript, a 
Canvas control similar to HTML 5 Canvas, video and audio playback controls, a 
vast array of charts, animations and transitions and a very good set of more 
common/basic widgets for form development.  And if they aren't enough, there 
are several ways to roll your own.  Features coming up in the next major 
release (which will be named JavaFX 8.0 as it is now aligned with JDK versions) 
include full 3D support.

> JavaFX is certainly worth considering.
>
> But one may have a need to support a platform where JavaFX is not
> available yet.

As of Java 7 Update 6 JavaFX is now supported on Windows (at least Windows XP, 
Windows 2008, Windows 7), MacOS X and Linux and also runs on some ARM based 
systems like Raspberry Pi.  In addition, Oracle is doing a significant amount 
of work on getting it to run on iOS and Android and have demonstrated it on 
these platforms several times in recent months.  I am expecting an "official" 
announcement at this year's JavaOne regarding exactly where that development is 
up to.  As far as I can tell they have resolved most of the technical issues by 
using Ahead Of Time compilation (so no JIT as executable memory is not 
supported on iOS or Metro for that matter) and the majority of the remaining 
work involves achieving good levels of performance and also in the development 
of the tools required to deploy a JavaFX app to those platforms.  Personally, I 
find this all very exciting!

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
--- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#18224

  To: Qu0ll
From: "markspace" <markspace@1:261/38.remove-8mo-this>

  To: Qu0ll
From: "markspace" <markspace@1:261/38.remove-v8v-this>

  To: Qu0ll
From: markspace <-@.>

On 8/18/2012 9:55 PM, Qu0ll wrote:
>  (so no JIT as executable memory is not supported on iOS or
> Metro for that matter)


Just curious: Metro = Windows 8?  Because there's a few other Metros floating 
around, and Microsoft has officially dropped the name Metro for their new OS.

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
-+- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
--- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]

Back to top | Article view | comp.lang.java.programmer

csiph-web