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Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop!

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  Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Patricia Shanahan" <patricia.shanahan@1:261/38.remove-sao-this> - 2012-08-06 18:08 +0000
    Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Robert Klemme" <robert.klemme@1:261/38.remove-p82-this> - 2012-08-08 06:20 +0000
    Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "kensi" <kensi@1:261/38.remove-p82-this> - 2012-08-08 06:20 +0000

#17254 — Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop!

From: Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>

On 8/5/2012 11:42 AM, kensi wrote:
>    To: Patricia Shanahan
> From: kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.invalid>
>
> On 05/08/2012 11:51 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> On 8/4/2012 6:48 PM, uBend wrote:
>> ...
>>> Those "quotefix" posts are a feature of Hipcrime.
>>> The java enabled version (NewsMaestro) has been in
>>> Derbyshire's possession for quite some time.
>>> Given all the aid cljp has provided in assisting
>>> with sorting out the bits of code which did prevent
>>> the script from running it is no surprise to see the
>>> group targeted, as the group population declared
>>> Derbyshire persona non grata.
>>> More of a double whammy "thanks" posting series?
>>
>> I did consider the theory that the corrupted messages are a malicious
>> side effect of the current spam-fest, including the possibility they
>> they are being generated by one or more of the D3rbyshire-obsessed
>> spammers.

Why did you change the spelling of "Derbyshire" in the quoted material? I was 
trying to make sure that this sub-thread would be invisible to anyone who has 
chosen to killfile all messages containing that name.

Misquoting is always discourteous to the person you are misquoting, and in this 
particular case is also discourteous to anyone using a killfile for that 
purpose.

>
> You just replied to the biggest D3rbyshire-obsessed spammer of them all,
> without knowing it.
>

It is unfortunately impossible to participate in USENET as long as I have 
without becoming aware of the phenomenon. However, I am glad to say that I am 
totally ignorant of the who's-who of the whole spam team, and intend to stay 
that way.

I just wish everyone who does care about who is or is not Paul Derbyshire would 
take themselves off to a newsgroup dedicated to the subject, and leave the rest 
of the newsgroups for discussion of their proper topics.

Patricia

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  To: Patricia Shanahan
From: Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>

On 08/06/2012 04:06 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 8/5/2012 11:42 AM, kensi wrote:

>> You just replied to the biggest D3rbyshire-obsessed spammer of them all,
>> without knowing it.
>
> It is unfortunately impossible to participate in USENET as long as I
> have without becoming aware of the phenomenon. However, I am glad to say
> that I am totally ignorant of the who's-who of the whole spam team, and
> intend to stay that way.

Same here.

> I just wish everyone who does care about who is or is not Paul
> Derbyshire would take themselves off to a newsgroup dedicated to the
> subject, and leave the rest of the newsgroups for discussion of their
> proper topics.

+1 - alt.usenet.kooks seems to be such a place.

Well spoken, Patricia.

Kind regards

        robert

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#17337

  To: Patricia Shanahan
From: kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.invalid>

On 06/08/2012 10:06 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> Why did you change the spelling of "D3rbyshire" in the quoted material?

AIOE sometimes doesn't allow posting with that word in the subject or body. I 
assume that also has something to do with the disruptive freaks like "uBend", 
and/or an attempt by that server's admin to limit the disruption (which, 
obviously, isn't proving very effective).

It's somewhat intermittent; I think the admin removes the filter after a while 
or it expires automatically, then when the disruption from Morphy and a few 
other like-minded twits continues, adds it back again. That's been going on for 
maybe a full year now.

> I was trying to make sure that this sub-thread would be invisible to
> anyone who has chosen to killfile all messages containing that name.

The last time I checked, killfiles worked on only a subset of message headers 
-- mainly From, Message-ID, Subject, and a couple of other fields. A few 
newsreaders claim to be able to killfile on any header, though I assume they 
have to download the message to apply filters on headers other than the usual 
ones. I can't ever recall hearing of one that can killfile on body text.

> Misquoting is always discourteous to the person you are misquoting, and
> in this particular case is also discourteous to anyone using a killfile
> for that purpose.

Take it up with AIOE's admin, then.

>> You just replied to the biggest D3rbyshire-obsessed spammer of them all,
>> without knowing it.
>
> It is unfortunately impossible to participate in USENET as long as I
> have without becoming aware of the phenomenon. However, I am glad to say
> that I am totally ignorant of the who's-who of the whole spam team, and
> intend to stay that way.
>
> I just wish everyone who does care about who is or is not Paul
> Derbyshire would take themselves off to a newsgroup dedicated to the
> subject, and leave the rest of the newsgroups for discussion of their
> proper topics.

That isn't going to happen, because they are, as you noted, spammers. They have 
a particular message that they feel is so important that they must shove it in 
front of as many eyeballs as possible, and netiquette be damned. Hence the 
off-topic crossposts, excessive multiposts, and morphing to escape killfiles. 
That they're doing this not for commercial gain but out of, essentially, 
religious reasons does not really make a difference to the methods of a usenet 
spammer. And that they ruin their own credibility by behaving in such a manner 
(especially since those that oppose them remain calm and rational and do not 
spam, rather than stooping to their level) also seems to be beyond their 
capacity to grasp, sadly.

--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the 
known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks

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