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How do you perceive programming? how do you look at the quality of software? Help needed with a quick survey!!!1

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#22779

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-07 06:09 -0800
Message-ID	<278fabd0-3f12-40be-87fa-27e07240c442@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22747

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
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> Thanking You

Personally, I can send the word doc over email but I do not have a website. What if i sent it from my university email address? But, i will look into the the free file sharing and see if I can come up with something. Once again thank you for your understanding approach.

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#22803

From	David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
Date	2013-03-07 16:05 -0500
Message-ID	<khavbb$jet$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#22779

On 07/03/2013 9:09 AM, komal singh wrote:
> Personally, I can send the word doc over email

Not everybody uses Word or any one text processor's formats. PDF is more 
widely used, and HTML even more widely.

Are the questions of the sort that surveymonkey.com could deal with? You 
can ask up to 10 questions in a variety of simple formats.

I still don't think a survey like this will give you useful information, 
but if you're determined to go ahead, those are better alternatives IMHO.

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#22781

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-07 06:18 -0800
Message-ID	<5ce8ee86-00b5-40ea-9292-23c1c86125fe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22747

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software??? 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
> 
> Thanking You

could we possibly Drop box?

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#22782

From	lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk">
Date	2013-03-07 15:40 +0000
Message-ID	<IYGdnY1pf5p2KaXMnZ2dnUVZ8tWdnZ2d@bt.com>
In reply to	#22781

On 07/03/13 14:18, komal singh wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:38:44 PM UTC, komal singh wrote:
>> Can you please help with a quick short survey which looks at the perceptions of programmers and also how they look at the quality of software???
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>> Thanking You
>
> could we possibly Drop box?

Never used it myself but if that will work that's fine.

lipska

-- 
Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer
and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun

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#22847

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-09 03:24 -0800
Message-ID	<abff2802-cdf2-45ca-9c44-14339d96f28b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22782

Hi Lipska, 

I have created the questionnaire through survey-monkey, please could you take a look when you have some free time? 

Thank You

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#22855

From	David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
Date	2013-03-09 14:59 -0500
Message-ID	<khg47i$83f$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#22847

On 09/03/2013 6:24 AM, komal singh wrote:
> Hi Lipska,
>
> I have created the questionnaire through survey-monkey, please could you take a look when you have some free time?

Where would we find it? surveymonkey should have given you a URL.

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#22856

From	lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk">
Date	2013-03-09 20:00 +0000
Message-ID	<Xd6dnWyzS9B3CabMnZ2dnUVZ7r6dnZ2d@bt.com>
In reply to	#22855

On 09/03/13 19:59, David Lamb wrote:
> On 09/03/2013 6:24 AM, komal singh wrote:
>> Hi Lipska,
>>
>> I have created the questionnaire through survey-monkey, please could
>> you take a look when you have some free time?
>
> Where would we find it? surveymonkey should have given you a URL.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TYVGZTQ

lipska

-- 
Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer
and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun

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#22857

From	David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
Date	2013-03-09 15:02 -0500
Message-ID	<khg4d4$83f$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#22855

On 09/03/2013 2:59 PM, David Lamb wrote:
> On 09/03/2013 6:24 AM, komal singh wrote:
>> Hi Lipska,
>>
>> I have created the questionnaire through survey-monkey, please could
>> you take a look when you have some free time?
>
> Where would we find it? surveymonkey should have given you a URL.
>

Sigh. I see you posted it in a different part of the thread. Lipska 
would likely have done what you asked even had you only posted in the 
one place. Or you could have made the request to him in the same message 
as the URL.

Another bit of USENET culture: people don't always read a whole thread 
before responding to individual messages, because it's not always easy 
to go back and find the 3 related messages and answer them in one place.

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#22868

From	lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk">
Date	2013-03-10 08:33 +0000
Message-ID	<8IydnSY_Z7vk2KHMnZ2dnUVZ8jWdnZ2d@bt.com>
In reply to	#22857

On 09/03/13 20:02, David Lamb wrote:
> On 09/03/2013 2:59 PM, David Lamb wrote:
>> On 09/03/2013 6:24 AM, komal singh wrote:
>>> Hi Lipska,
>>>
>>> I have created the questionnaire through survey-monkey, please could
>>> you take a look when you have some free time?
>>
>> Where would we find it? surveymonkey should have given you a URL.
>>
>
> Sigh. I see you posted it in a different part of the thread. Lipska
> would likely have done what you asked even had you only posted in the
> one place. Or you could have made the request to him in the same message
> as the URL.
>
> Another bit of USENET culture: people don't always read a whole thread
> before responding to individual messages, because it's not always easy
> to go back and find the 3 related messages and answer them in one place.

This is excellent advice and an example of how it should be done.
No sarcasm, no criticism, just focused, informative and succinct.

A+

lipska

-- 
Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer
and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun

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#22784

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-07 08:00 -0800
Message-ID	<0de2877f-56b5-40c4-821f-b388d97e6d80@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22747

I have just asked my tutor as well so once I have a response i will get back to you... 

Thank you

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#22848

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-09 03:24 -0800
Message-ID	<37f8c894-d1a0-48f2-bbf3-5bd912bfe948@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22784

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TYVGZTQ

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#22849

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-09 03:26 -0800
Message-ID	<49e0794d-ba09-4536-993c-d001a4eb695e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22848

On Saturday, March 9, 2013 11:24:45 AM UTC, komal singh wrote:
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TYVGZTQ

Guys, 

Understandably this has not been the best response for me but if any of you guys would like to take a few minutes out of your busy schedule then please free to fill in the questionnaire. 

Apologises for any misunderstandings 

Thank You

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#22850

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-09 03:29 -0800
Message-ID	<7c7fe91b-f7b4-45e9-82f8-5ff25c4b1424@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22849

This is Java based btw, 

Thank you

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#22858

From	David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
Date	2013-03-09 15:12 -0500
Message-ID	<khg508$d6b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#22848

On 09/03/2013 6:24 AM, komal singh wrote:
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TYVGZTQ

Thanks for posting the link. Here are some criticisms of the survey itself.

You're asking for natural-language style answers, some of which seem to 
me to require LONG essays to do anything more than a superficial job of 
conveying what the respondent might be thinking. Also the answers of one 
respondent might not be comparable at all to someone else' answers 
because they'd make different interpretations of the questions and 
decide to answer in different degrees of detail.

You need to ask more focused questions. If your supervisor is working in 
this area, s/he ought to be able to find someone local, either within 
the school or in a local software house, to refine the questions into 
something more concrete and easier to answer.

There's no harm in a *few* open-ended questions -- most surveys have 
*some* of that sort.

At the end you ask people to write a program. Asking a professional 
programmer to volunteer time can be pretty dicey; they rightly expect to 
be paid (and may be required to refuse free work by, for example, union 
rules).

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#22859

From	Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date	2013-03-09 15:30 -0500
Message-ID	<513b9bdc$0$32106$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to	#22858

On 3/9/2013 3:12 PM, David Lamb wrote:
> On 09/03/2013 6:24 AM, komal singh wrote:
>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TYVGZTQ
>
> Thanks for posting the link. Here are some criticisms of the survey itself.
>
> You're asking for natural-language style answers, some of which seem to
> me to require LONG essays to do anything more than a superficial job of
> conveying what the respondent might be thinking. Also the answers of one
> respondent might not be comparable at all to someone else' answers
> because they'd make different interpretations of the questions and
> decide to answer in different degrees of detail.
>
> You need to ask more focused questions. If your supervisor is working in
> this area, s/he ought to be able to find someone local, either within
> the school or in a local software house, to refine the questions into
> something more concrete and easier to answer.
>
> There's no harm in a *few* open-ended questions -- most surveys have
> *some* of that sort.

If he has already gotten some answers to the existing questions, then
it will be problematic to change them.

> At the end you ask people to write a program. Asking a professional
> programmer to volunteer time can be pretty dicey; they rightly expect to
> be paid (and may be required to refuse free work by, for example, union
> rules).

If the program is non trivial, then many will leave that question
unanswered.

Arne

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#22860

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-09 13:20 -0800
Message-ID	<695bcd6e-8066-4733-9c09-2b562b0d4c2a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22859

Thanks for the criticism guys which I will take onboard. However, if you feel that  you can answer some of the questions then please do. My tutor has agreed with the questions asked. 


Thank You

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#22861

From	markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam>
Date	2013-03-09 14:34 -0800
Message-ID	<khgda1$q1v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#22860

On 3/9/2013 1:20 PM, komal singh wrote:
> Thanks for the criticism guys which I will take onboard. However, if
> you feel that  you can answer some of the questions then please do.
> My tutor has agreed with the questions asked.


Just curious: what school are you writing your dissertation for?

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#22862

From	komal singh <komalkorotana@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-09 17:01 -0800
Message-ID	<09ef7cc9-e499-4dad-a588-ff650b3d6b91@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#22861

University collage London

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#22884

From	"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com>
Date	2013-03-12 03:06 +1100
Message-ID	<096dnXGELLS_nKPMnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>
In reply to	#22862

"komal singh"  wrote in message 
news:09ef7cc9-e499-4dad-a588-ff650b3d6b91@googlegroups.com...

> University collage London

From dictionary.com:

col·lage
[kuh-lahzh, koh-] Show IPA noun, verb, col·laged, col·lag·ing.
noun
1.
a technique of composing a work of art by pasting on a single surface 
various materials not normally associated with one another, as newspaper 
clippings, parts of photographs, theater tickets, and fragments of an 
envelope.
2.
a work of art produced by this technique. Compare assemblage (  def 3 ) .
3.
an assemblage or occurrence of diverse elements or fragments in unlikely or 
unexpected juxtaposition: The experimental play is a collage of sudden scene 
shifts, long monologues, musical interludes, and slapstick.
4.
a film that presents a series of seemingly unrelated scenes or images or 
shifts from one scene or image to another suddenly and without transition.
verb (used with object)
5.
to make a collage of: The artist has collaged old photos, cartoon figures, 
and telephone numbers into a unique work of art.

Which definition of "collage" applies here?

Seriously komal,

Your lack of attention to detail and your general rude and arrogant attitude 
are the reasons why you have received such a negative response here.  You 
should understand that programming and science in general are topics which 
require both precise and accurate usage of language along with respect for 
your "peers" (and I use that term loosely here).  You have entered a forum 
which does indeed have rules (netiquette) and you have repeatedly chosen to 
ignore them.  If you aspire to being a scientist, engineer or programmer 
then you need to learn the ways of those who have gone before you. Lew and 
others are not being rude as you accuse them, they are treating you as they 
would treat anyone else in our industry.  They expect and deserve a certain 
standard of communication and they deserve your respect.

It is generally advisable to not bite the hands that feed you.  In this 
instance you need us, we do not need you.  To be successful in this industry 
you will need to get along with others.  Behave like a professional and you 
will be treated like one.  Behave like you have in this thread so far and 
you will always be on the outer.

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

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#22901

From	Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date	2013-03-11 17:44 -0400
Message-ID	<513e505c$0$32107$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to	#22884

On 3/11/2013 12:06 PM, Qu0ll wrote:
> "komal singh"  wrote in message
> news:09ef7cc9-e499-4dad-a588-ff650b3d6b91@googlegroups.com...
>
>> University collage London
>
>  From dictionary.com:
>
> col·lage
> [kuh-lahzh, koh-] Show IPA noun, verb, col·laged, col·lag·ing.
> noun
...
> Which definition of "collage" applies here?

I think you can guess what he meant.

:-)

> Your lack of attention to detail and your general rude and arrogant
> attitude are the reasons why you have received such a negative response
> here.  You should understand that programming and science in general are
> topics which require both precise and accurate usage of language along
> with respect for your "peers" (and I use that term loosely here).  You
> have entered a forum which does indeed have rules (netiquette) and you
> have repeatedly chosen to ignore them.  If you aspire to being a
> scientist, engineer or programmer then you need to learn the ways of
> those who have gone before you. Lew and others are not being rude as you
> accuse them, they are treating you as they would treat anyone else in
> our industry.  They expect and deserve a certain standard of
> communication and they deserve your respect.
>
> It is generally advisable to not bite the hands that feed you.  In this
> instance you need us, we do not need you.  To be successful in this
> industry you will need to get along with others.  Behave like a
> professional and you will be treated like one.  Behave like you have in
> this thread so far and you will always be on the outer.

Based on his more recent posts, then I think everything is fine now.

Arne

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