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Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate

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On 2013-01-16 09:23:29 +1100, Roedy Green said:

> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:22:07 +1100, Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
> 
>> Browser manufacturers should stop supporting Java. Applets are a dead
>> technology which hardly anybody uses (except for criminals).
> 
>  Applets are an inherently much superior technology for client side
> computing. Nothing else has a sandbox.  Nothing else is so scrupulous
> about signing for dangerous code.  Nothing else is so compact.
> Browsers don't load the Java engine at start up, which made them
> appear slower than they really are.  Even that has been fixed with
> smarter JVMs that hang around as DLLs.

The closed mindedness and general ignorance of Java fanatics never 
ceases to amaze.

As for the Java sandbox, the real problem is that the sandbox is 
implemented inside the VM itself, in Java (via the SecurityManager), 
and the Java runtime is poorly equipped to secure itself against itself.

Contrast this with the sandboxing model the CLR uses, where access 
grants can only originate from outside of the VM -- it is impossible, 
by design, for managed code to enable grants that the VM itself was not 
externally configured to provide.

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U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate emf <emfril@gmail.com> - 2013-01-12 07:48 -0500
  Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-12 09:05 -0500
    Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate RVic <rvince99@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-12 08:00 -0800
      Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-12 11:23 -0500
  Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-12 10:28 -0800
  Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-12 10:38 -0800
    Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-12 13:41 -0500
  Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate "Hiram Hunt" <hiramhunt@verizon.net> - 2013-01-13 15:41 -0500
  Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2013-01-15 15:22 +1100
    Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-15 07:31 -0800
    Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-15 14:23 -0800
      Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-15 21:10 -0500
      Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2013-01-17 11:47 +1100
        Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-16 17:01 -0800
          Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2013-01-17 14:50 +1100
            Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-17 14:31 -0800
        Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-01-16 21:55 -0600
        Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-17 14:57 -0800
      Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2013-01-17 12:36 -0700
        Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-17 14:33 -0800
        Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-17 18:14 -0500
        Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-17 18:16 -0500
  Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-15 00:23 -0800
    Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-01-15 06:47 -0800
      Re: U.S. warns on Java software as security concerns escalate Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-15 14:34 -0800

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