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| From | Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: single instance |
| Date | 2013-01-06 20:46 -0500 |
| Organization | Zamps Anonymous |
| Message-ID | <kcd9dt$f81$1@news.mixmin.net> (permalink) |
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:24:29 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 1/6/2013 7:22 PM, Twirlip of the Mists wrote: >> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 21:56:37 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> On 1/4/2013 1:44 PM, Twirlip of the Mists wrote: >>>> The concept of a PID is platform-agnostic -- all Unices seem to have it, >>>> MacOS is a Unix nowadays, and newer Windowses have PIDs. It'd be surprising >>>> if there isn't a platform-agnostic way to get at PIDs -- a POSIX call that >>>> Windows supports, most likely. >>> >>> *nix and Windows support does not mean platform-agnostic. >> >> 1. When was the last time you, or anyone you know, bought or saw anyone >> using a computer or other gadget that wasn't either Apple, Windows, or >> some flavor of Unix? > > Yesterday. What operating system was it? Do you think your experience at all typical of the general population? >> 2. How would you develop an OS without the concept of a PID? (No, the sucky >> iPhone "OS" doesn't count, since it DOESN'T MULTITASK. :P) > > Well - iOS is an OS. > > It is possible to develop an OS without PID's. > > DOS did not have PID's. DOS also lacked multitasking. And lacking multitasking makes the issue of multiple concurrent instances of a single program rather moot, wouldn't you say? >> 3. Does anyone tend to make OSen (iPhone "OS" again does not count) that >> *aren't* fairly POSIXy anymore? > > There are not that much point in not counting iOS. See above. > iOS is POSIXy! That, if true, just works in my argument's favor. >> 4. And before you bring up some obscure legacy OS on some archaic mainframe >> that some large banking institution in some obscure corner of the world >> is still using to run some old bit of business logic for which they've >> long since lost all the source code, recall that the context here is >> *development of some new software*. Nobody sane develops *new* software >> for clunkers like that -- they develop it for their farm of Unix servers >> or their ten thousand cubicle boxen running Windows, even if maybe it >> uses some network to get some service from the legacy mainframe. > > New code still get developed for mainframes. I said "nobody sane", not "nobody". :) > But nothing of this really matters. A feature being support by all > common platforms and a feature being platform-agnostic are two > different things. All common platforms is necessary, and in practice sufficient. Your strictly-exact notion of "platform-agnostic" is so restrictive as to be meaningless -- what would compile and run on both Windows 8 and Babbage's difference engine? -- Hexapodia is the key insight.
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Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-05 21:56 -0500
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-06 19:22 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 20:23 -0500
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-06 20:43 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 20:47 -0500
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Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 20:24 -0500
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Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 20:58 -0500
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-06 21:08 -0500
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Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 21:41 -0500
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-06 22:00 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 22:11 -0500
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-07 00:23 -0500
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Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-24 18:17 -0500
Re: single instance Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-06 17:32 -0800
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-06 20:47 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 20:53 -0500
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-06 21:01 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-05 21:59 -0500
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-06 19:34 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 20:00 -0500
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-03 07:12 -0800
Re: single instance Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-03 09:56 -0800
Re: single instance Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-03 21:05 +0000
Re: single instance Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-03 22:08 +0000
Re: single instance "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-05 12:48 +0000
Re: single instance Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-05 17:43 +0000
Re: single instance Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-05 09:49 -0800
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-05 13:02 -0500
Re: single instance Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-01-05 20:29 +0000
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-05 19:07 -0800
Re: single instance Twirlip of the Mists <twirlip@killfile.me.now.invalid> - 2013-01-06 20:04 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-05 21:40 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-05 22:10 -0500
Re: single instance Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-01-05 19:49 -0800
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-05 23:09 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 11:00 -0500
Re: single instance Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-06 09:41 -0800
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-06 20:41 -0500
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-15 22:51 -0800
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-15 23:12 -0800
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Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-15 23:16 -0800
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Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-16 02:48 -0800
Re: single instance Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-16 07:28 -0800
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-16 10:46 -0800
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Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-16 23:44 -0800
Re: single instance Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-17 07:03 -0800
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-17 14:25 -0800
Re: single instance Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-17 16:31 -0800
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-17 22:11 -0800
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-17 22:36 -0800
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-16 13:34 -0500
Re: single instance Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-01-16 08:45 -0800
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-16 13:29 -0500
Re: single instance Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-01-16 17:14 -0800
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-16 20:20 -0500
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-16 23:52 -0800
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-17 01:44 -0800
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-18 01:47 -0800
Re: single instance Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-01-18 20:50 -0800
Re: single instance Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-20 00:53 -0800
Re: single instance Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-20 12:00 -0800
Re: single instance Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-01-20 13:33 -0800
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-24 18:12 -0500
Re: single instance Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-20 21:33 -0500
Re: single instance "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-01-06 13:34 +0000
Re: single instance Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-01-04 10:26 -0800
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