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Re: Hello World problem

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:43:52 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 12/2/2012 6:05 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:39:38 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/1/2012 9:45 PM, John Dildy wrote:
>>>> I have made changes to the project and I don't see the empty
>>>> Javascript function.  However, I am trying to use Java.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if there is a beginner's group on google about Java
>>>> and/or Javascript.  I see to be contacting people that are way a
>>>> way's from the HelloWorld.java
>>>
>>> comp.lang.java.help may be a bit more beginner friendly than
>>> comp.lang.java.programmer!
>>>
>>> comp.lang.javascript sounds as if it is a good place for JavaScript,
>>> but I have never read it.
>>>
>> I visited some years ago. Not a friendly place.
> 
> Hm.
> 
> Dislike of beginners or narrow definition of on topic?
>
Difficult to know. Seemed most like a bunch of acolytes fawning on every 
word of a self-appointed newsgroup leader who knew almost nothing except 
Javascript but didn't let that stop him handing down tablets about other 
languages.
 
>> In any case, I don't think its a suitable language for a programming
>> newbie: maybe things have changed, but I wasn't able to find a good
>> book to learn it up from. I was looking for something like the O'Reilly
>> Python, PHP or awk&sed books, but could find nothing apart from
>> collections of code snippets and definitely nothing with a coherent
>> description of its syntax and run-time environment.
> 
> I have not read it myself but Professional JavaScript for Web Developers
> from Wrox get good reviews and I have good experience with their
> Professional Xxxxxxx books.
>
Noted, bookmarked and the PDF version downloaded. Thanks. If I ever need 
to do anything with js in future they'll serve me well.
 
> And ECMA-262 is not hard to read. It is a lot easier than JLS.
>
I asked about language manuals, got pointed at "Javascript for the World 
Wide Web", which I thought should be good because I like Elizabeth 
Castro's "HTML for the World Wide Web" a lot. However the Js book isn't 
nearly as good: instead its much as I described with the language 
elements being buried under a heap of examples and details of browser 
specifics. There are some pretty good books where I worked at the time, 
but none seemed any better: most seemed to be aimed at people who can't 
program but who can paste half-understood bits of code into their web 
pages and hack at them until they do something useful.

The ECMA-262 specification was never mentioned on that newsgroup or I'd 
have grabbed and used it.

> Runtime environment is a bit more tricky, because it somewhat depends on
> the runtime.
>
Yes, sure. But, is that poor language design and specification or merely 
a lack of rigour on the part of the interpreter writers? I know there was 
a lot of handwaving and developers doing their own thing in the early 
days so I just wish that, at the time, I'd found a definitive enough 
Javascript specification to work from.
 

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Hello World problem John Dildy <jdildy85@gmail.com> - 2012-11-30 07:19 -0800
  Re: Hello World problem FredK <fred.l.kleinschmidt@gmail.com> - 2012-11-30 07:47 -0800
  Re: Hello World problem Tim Slattery <Slattery_T@bls.gov> - 2012-11-30 12:34 -0500
  Re: Hello World problem Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-11-30 10:31 -0800
  Re: Hello World problem John Dildy <jdildy85@gmail.com> - 2012-12-01 18:45 -0800
    Re: Hello World problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-01 22:39 -0500
      Re: Hello World problem Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-02 11:05 +0000
        Re: Hello World problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-03 22:43 -0500
          Re: Hello World problem Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-04 22:43 +0000
            Re: Hello World problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-04 19:09 -0500
              Re: Hello World problem Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-12-06 15:52 -0600
                Re: Hello World problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-07 20:24 -0500
            Re: Hello World problem Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-13 08:49 -0800
    Re: Hello World problem Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-12-02 12:19 +0100
  Re: Hello World problem John Dildy <jdildy85@gmail.com> - 2012-12-02 17:51 -0800
    Re: Hello World problem "Charles Hottel" <chottel@earthlink.net> - 2012-12-02 23:17 -0500
    Re: Hello World problem Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-12-03 12:26 +0100
    Re: Hello World problem Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-12-05 14:30 -0800
  Re: Hello World problem John Dildy <jdildy85@gmail.com> - 2012-12-05 14:44 -0800
    Re: Hello World problem Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-05 23:17 +0000
  Re: Hello World problem John Dildy <jdildy85@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 15:27 -0800
    Re: Hello World problem Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 15:29 -0800
      Re: Hello World problem John Dildy <jdildy85@gmail.com> - 2012-12-06 17:17 -0800

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