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Re: Java daemon

From	"SL" <sb5309@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: Java daemon
Date	2012-11-13 14:40 +0800
Organization	albasani.net
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David Lamb wrote:
> On 12/11/2012 9:17 AM, sl@exabyte wrote:
>> Since java also adopts the garbage collector mechanism, would java
>> daemon suffers from the same memory problem ?
>
> There are several different ways to do garbage collection, so flaws in
> one implementation have no bearing on what goes on with another.
>
> The most common complaint that crosses implementations is the
> unpredictability of when a gc happens, which can be a problem for a
> program with serious real-time constraints. IIRC Java implementations
> often have the gc run continuously and incrementally in a separate
> thread, which evens out the effect.

I did some google'ing on garbage collector (GC) in java and found that it is 
a big and complicated topic.
Java programmer has no permission to invoke it directly, beside juggling its 
settings to adjust its frequency of running and the type of collector to 
run. Even then how the GC is invoked stilll lies beyond programmer's 
control.

It gets me thinking.

Why bother with it (people in the finance trade especially) ? Are the 
advantages so great over c/c++ ? If the answer is yes, I can only think that 
the reason is portability. Otherwise forget about tweaking GC; go for C/C++; 
programmer has full control over memory management, and it is faster than 
java.

I hope my opinion does not ignite the ire of java people.

I do have a question on GC: how to run the GC continuously ? Create a 
thread, do some memory juggling to induce the GC to run ?

Thread

Java daemon "sl@exabyte" <sb5309@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-12 22:17 +0800
  Re: Java daemon David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-11-12 09:25 -0500
    Re: Java daemon "sl@exabyte" <sb5309@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-12 23:55 +0800
      Re: Java daemon Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-11-12 22:07 +0000
        Re: Java daemon "sl@exabyte" <sb5309@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-13 10:56 +0800
          Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-12 22:08 -0500
          Re: Java daemon "SL" <sb5309@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-13 13:59 +0800
          Re: Java daemon Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-11-13 21:50 +0000
            Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-18 16:43 -0500
              Re: Java daemon Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-11-19 01:05 +0000
                Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-18 20:41 -0500
                Re: Java daemon Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-11-20 00:32 +0000
                Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-19 20:07 -0500
                Re: Java daemon Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-11-19 20:38 -0400
                Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-19 20:22 -0500
                Re: Java daemon Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-11-20 17:46 -0400
              Re: Java daemon Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-11-18 20:10 -0800
                Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-19 10:50 -0500
        Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-12 22:06 -0500
          Re: Java daemon Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-11-13 21:36 +0000
            Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-13 17:31 -0500
              Re: Java daemon Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-11-14 21:33 +0000
                Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-14 16:55 -0500
                Re: Java daemon Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-11-15 02:09 +0000
    Re: Java daemon "SL" <sb5309@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-13 14:40 +0800
      Re: Java daemon Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-11-12 23:39 -0800
        Re: Java daemon "SL" <sb5309@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-13 16:16 +0800
      Re: Java daemon Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-11-13 06:37 -0400
      Re: Java daemon David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-11-13 08:46 -0500
      Re: Java daemon "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-13 21:23 -0500
      Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-18 16:52 -0500
      Re: Java daemon markspace <-@.> - 2012-11-18 14:02 -0800
        Re: Java daemon jlp <jlp@jlp.com> - 2012-11-19 20:39 +0100
          Re: Java daemon "SL@maxis" <ecp_gen@my-rialto.com> - 2012-11-20 15:23 +0800
  Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-12 09:41 -0500
  Re: Java daemon Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-11-12 14:24 -0700
    Re: Java daemon Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-11-12 13:35 -0800
      Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-12 22:05 -0500
    Re: Java daemon Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-11-18 16:40 -0500

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