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Re: NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap>

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Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler, in
<news:jv4po5$nha$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com> did thusly write:

> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:21:24 GMT, This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups
> Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> wrote in <oklRr.12223$lA2.5191@newsfe07.iad>:
> 
>>Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler <fnvw@databasix.com> wrote: 
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:03:37 GMT, This account has been banned because
>>> it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> wrote in
>>> <t76Rr.14200$z66.1370@newsfe10.iad>: 
>>> 
>>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.14.135.55
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On  Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:10:23 GMT, Captain Koloth Derbyshite 
>>>><koloth17@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 10:29 am, Lew <no...@lewscanon.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Captain Koloth wrote:
>>>>>> > That IS the contract.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only half of it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nearly all of it, given it's rarely custom-subclasses.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> People who write code are just as important as those who use it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That does not make sense. Both clients and subclassers are "people who
>>>>> write code".
>>>>> 
>>>>>> >> But the contract also exists for the SortedMap implementer, and it
>>>>>> >> defines what he's allowed to do. If i wrote a SortedMap under 1.4
>>>>>> >> that returned a key set that wasn't a SortedSet, which was
>>>>>> >> perfectly legal at that point, i would take a very dim view of a
>>>>>> >> change to the definitionof SortedMap in 1.5 that made it illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Why? It would be very easy to update it, since the backing Map is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you thus show that you realize that there would be a need for
>>>>>> change if the contract changed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Qagh Sopbe'. 
>>>>
>>>>Huh? 
>>>>
>>>>> Entirely beside the point, given how little change.
>>>> 
>>>>>> And you don't know how easy it would be to update it,
>>>>>> since the implementation to change will itself be used by other code,
>>>>>> which then will need to change
>>>>> 
>>>>> QoH! It won't, since changing the implementation keySet return type to
>>>>> SortedSet won't force change on clients of that code, and it's
>>>>> unlikely for the implementation to be itself subclassed, and even more
>>>>> unlikely for such a subclass to be overriding the superclass
>>>>> implementation of keySet.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> thus requiring unit tests, regression tests,
>>>>>> deployment to a zillion production sites, possible new bugs to fix,
>>>>>> delays to other more critical feature improvements or repair, and a
>>>>>> whole lot of cost to Java projects overall.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>> Tojo'Qa'! 
>>>>
>>>>Huh? 
>>>>
>>>>> What a ridiculous slippery slope argument.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> > sorted. You'd just need to implement first, last, subSet, tailSet,
>>>>>> > and headSet, and you could make all of those (in presumably an
>>>>>> > anonymous inner class of your map) punt to
>>>>>> > MySortedMap.this.firstKey(), lastKey (), subMap(x,y).keySet(),
>>>>>> > tailMap(x).keySet(), and headMap(y).keySet ().
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > It would take all of five minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [calls me a liar]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Grrr! TlhIngan quv DatIchDI' Seng yIghuH!
>>>>
>>>>Paula, are you off your meds? 
>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone here is a lying petaQ ... well, let's just say that it is
>>>>> not I!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> > Also, how common are third-party implementations of SortedMap,
>>>>>> > really? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the time the contract was written, there weren't any.  Having
>>>>>> written the contract, Java must not assume that continues to pertain.
>>>>>>  There could be thousands of such implementations by now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> VeQ! There are probably only a handful, if that.
>>>>
>>>>This doesn't look like you're winning at all, for fuck's sake. 
>>>>
>>>>(FNVW, is it possible to nominate Paul "Two Socks" Derbyshire for the 
>>>>Goofy Azzed Babboon for this very old post?) 
>>> 
>>> Yes. 
>>
>>Thank you, Mister Wrangler. 
>>
>>> According to the award description Goofy Azzed Babboon is for
>>> kooks past and present.
>>> 
>>> Goofy Azzed Babboon
>>> This award commemorates Kookistic achievement in the linguistic arts. Of
>>> any language. To be awarded for categorical instances of such
>>> achievement, but if a fully separate category of it is exhibited by said
>>> Kook then they can win it more than once. There is no statute of
>>> limitations here; one should
>>> 
>>> * award net.kooks of the past as well as the present*.
>>> 
>>>  Linguistic butchering is, we believe, a demonstrably proven Kook Art.
>>>  If the person's inability to 
>>> use language comes from their inexperience with it they do not qualify.
>>> Kooky language must come from Kooky thought.
>>
>>And if kooky thoughts were dollars, Paula Derbyshite would be richer than 
>>Bill Gates. 
>>
>>In recognition of his linguistic butchering while using his "Captain Koloth" 
>>sockpuppet, and there being no statute of limitations for the award, I hereby 
>>nominate Paul G. "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for the official alt.usenet kook
>>Goofy Azzed Babboon Award.  Seconds? 
> 
> Nomination accepted.

Acceptance denied, Drunken Kook Masquerading As Ex-FNVW (aka Fred
Hall).

The triumvirate has voted you out, you are officially impeached. You
have no power, you have no right of acceptance of nominations, in
fact, being a deemed kook yourself (Offishul AUK Pegboy For Life, by
FNVW decree 10Jul2012), you cannot even nominate, second or vote.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

<sniggle>

-- 
/\                       Properly known as James
  \  /\         THERE IS NO CABAL -- LONG LIVE THE NEW CABAL
   \/  \     The AUK coup is complete. The Old Cabal is no more.

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The Point where the FNVW is asked about eligibility for a GAB award <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> - 2012-07-29 08:03 +0000
  Re: The Point where the FNVW is asked about eligibility for a GAB award <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2012-07-29 08:23 +0000
    Re: The Point where the FNVW is asked about eligibility for a GAB award <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> - 2012-07-29 08:35 +0000
      Re: The Point where the FNVW is asked about eligibility for a GAB award <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2012-07-29 08:58 +0000
        Re: The Point where the FNVW is asked about eligibility for a GAB award <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> Fred Hall <fkhall@gmail.com> - 2012-07-29 06:43 -0500
          Re: The Point where the FNVW is asked about eligibility for a GAB award <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> Checkmate <LunaticFringe@The.Edge> - 2012-07-29 11:26 -0700
          Re: The Point where the FNVW is asked about eligibility for a GAB award <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.de> - 2012-07-29 18:53 -0400
  NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB  <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> - 2012-07-30 01:21 +0000
    Re: NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB  <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler <fnvw@databasix.com> - 2012-07-29 21:11 -0500
      Re: NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB  <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> [Tor] Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler {One Of Three} <FNVW@AltUsenetKooks.com> - 2012-07-30 02:30 +0000
      Re: NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB  <Re: Oddity with java.util.SortedMap> This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use <laughing@u.kook> - 2012-07-30 02:33 +0000

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