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Re: Good Fowler article on ORM

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Jan Burse wrote:
> Lew schrieb:
>> You have yet to quote the statistics I requested.
>
> I didn't do some measurements, should be
> clear from my response to markspace, isn't it?

I responded to that post. The only facts you presented in evidence were that 
your Android times were slower by some unspecified margin than the desktop 
times, and that the Android platform was inherently physically slower than the 
desktop.

I suggest that the platform differences, to which I alluded in some detail in 
that response, account for the performance differences you observe, or could. 
You need measurements that distinguish the effects of the platform from other 
effects to know for sure.

At no point have you provided evidence here speaking to what in the 
environments could account for the difference, or apportioning impact to known 
factors such as the CPU speed and architecture differences.

You probably don't actually know what causes what proportion of the observed 
(and undisclosed) difference.  It is likely that the largest performance 
differences are due to the sorts of factors I mentioned in my other response.

Why do I say "likely"? Because my own observations of Android applications and 
my knowledge of the platform and experience with the balance of attribute 
access via methods vs. other factors such as I/O, UI manipulation, thread 
foobars and the like, I have seen more performance impact from the platform 
effects than your suggested micro-optimization.

But I don't know for sure. I haven't got your numbers. It is possible that you 
have evidence heretofore unshared that makes getters and setters the 
low-hanging fruit after all. So, naturally, I request that you share that 
evidence, at least in summary.

Whatever your numbers do show, it makes sense to work first on the matters 
that make the biggest difference. If it's UI contention, work on that. If it 
really is class load, work on that. If it's logger crud, work on that. What 
you might wish to avoid is laboring intensely over an optimization that saves 
one part in a thousand of time, causes much more maintenance work due to 
workarounds and concomitant complexity induced by the fooferol, and is 
obsoleted in a year by platform advances.

YMMV. But you might wish to educate yourself about where your actual problems lie.

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
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Good Fowler article on ORM Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-10 19:50 -0300
  Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-05-10 16:52 -0700
    Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:10 -0400
    Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-05-11 01:56 -0500
    Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-11 10:06 +0200
      Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-11 10:09 +0200
      Re: Good Fowler article on ORM David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-05-11 21:56 -0400
        Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-12 12:01 +0200
          Re: Good Fowler article on ORM David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-05-12 06:22 -0400
            Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-12 13:14 +0200
              Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-12 13:27 +0200
              Re: Good Fowler article on ORM markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-12 08:15 -0700
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-12 18:21 +0200
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-12 10:37 -0700
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-05-12 12:27 -0700
                Re: Dalvik running on the Android device emulator Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2012-05-13 07:21 +0000
                Re: Dalvik running on the Android device emulator David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-05-13 08:18 -0400
              Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-05-12 12:12 -0700
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-12 21:53 +0200
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-12 21:59 +0200
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-05-12 13:55 -0700
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-05-12 13:59 -0700
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-12 23:49 +0200
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-05-12 17:14 -0700
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM jb <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-05-13 02:11 -0700
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-05-14 22:25 -0700
                Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-20 22:15 -0400
  Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 20:03 -0400
    Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-05-10 18:40 -0700
      Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-10 21:42 -0400
    Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-13 19:40 -0300
  Re: Good Fowler article on ORM markspace <-@.> - 2012-05-10 19:17 -0700
  Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-05-10 16:41 -0700
    Re: Good Fowler article on ORM Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-12 14:33 -0700

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