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Re: new Java lambda syntax

From	BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: new Java lambda syntax
Date	2011-09-14 21:08 -0700
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On 9/14/2011 6:02 PM, Lew wrote:
> BGB wrote:
>> Lew wrote:
>>> Are you willing to provide a link to SlicedBread (or whatever you call your own language) so we can all learn from it (or judge it or whatever people choose to do), or are we doomed to second-hand descriptions?
>>>
>>
>> I didn't want to come off like I was being spamming or similar.
>>
>>
>> but, some basic (high level) info exists here:
>> http://cr88192.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php/BGBScript
>>
>> and a basic language spec:
>> http://phi/SilvVMSpec/2011-05-25_BGBScript15.html
>>
>> however, as a whole the project documentation is a bit weak.
>>
>>
>> here is a snapshot of the sub-project:
>> http://cr88192.dyndns.org/2011-09-14_bscc.zip
>>
>> however, getting it to work or doing much of anything useful with it is
>> "an exercise to the reader..." (it is at this stage very much a
>> "personal use" piece of technology).
>>
>> note: ZIP is 112MB, and hosted on a personal internet connection (ADSL).
>> potentially using wget or similar to retrieve it may make some sense,
>> and I will not make any guarantees regarding server uptime...
>>
>> current (usable) build configurations include MSVC+GNU Make, and Linux.
>> YMMV.
>>
>>
>> or such...
>
> Thanks.  With all the references you've made to it I figured someone might find it interesting to look at it.  It could be very instructive.
>
> One of the strengths of Java is the internal criticism it receives from its own adherents.  You're the only one I have contact with who's tried to address some of the issues with their own approach.  That has to be illuminating.
>
> It's easy to armchair the language's choices.  It's more challenging to try to solve the problems directly.
>

yeah.

(BTW: 'phi' is the internal name of the server on my own network, 
correcting the URL):
http://cr88192.dyndns.org/SilvVMSpec/2011-05-25_BGBScript15.html



one thing one may realize when designing their own languages is that the 
existing languages are often not really all that bad. one can try 
drastically different solutions to problems, but one may realize that 
everything is tradeoffs, and that very often the most popular strategies 
often tend to be reasonably close to the optimal strategies.

designing something clearly better (rather than simply finding a 
different set of tradeoffs) is not always an easy task (nor is having 
something anywhere near a "production quality" implementation...).


not to say that things are perfect with existing languages though, and 
there may still be room for experimentation and improvement.


also, I use it some for scripting my 3D engine, ...

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