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From	Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: CLI Java Glitch
Date	Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:13:20 -0400
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Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> 
>      Look at it this way.  If Java were being spec'ed right now, would
> you have an objection to what I propose?  Why not make it easier?

Yes, because it misunderstands the nature of what the java executable
is doing in that use case (as I noted in another message, which I
believe was posted after you wrote the one I'm quoting here, so you
won't have seen it).

When you run "java foo", you are asking the java executable to create
a JVM instance, load a class named "foo", instantiate it, find its
"main" method, and execute it.

As it happens, on most OSes, when the java executable is asked to load
a class and is not given any other information about where that class
resides, it searches a configurable list of filesystem locations for a
file with the same name as the class, plus the extension ".class". It
is conceivable that in environments where this doesn't make sense, a
java executable, or its equivalent, could do something else to load
the named class.

You are *not* telling the java executable to open the file "foo.class"
and muck about in it, trying to find some class with a main method to
execute.

Your proposal sets the cart before the horse.

-- 
Michael Wojcik
Micro Focus
Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University

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