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On 05/26/2011 09:09 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message<iriqn9$tt8$1@dont-email.me>, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>
>> Wed, 25 May 2011 19:49:18 +1200, /Lawrence D'Oliveiro/:
>>
>>> In message<iri87l$no8$1@dont-email.me>, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>>
>>>> Java has a TZupdater (Timezone Updater) tool which takes care:
>>>
>>> So the answer is “no”: you need to download, install and run a separate
>>> tool to apply a patch to fix it up.
>>>
>>> How many people are going to bother with this?
>>
>> People who care or need it, people maintaining servers.
>
> Production servers? Are you really going to roll out a code patch willy-
> nilly across all your production systems?

Where'd you get "willy-nilly"?  No one said that.  You don't get to add that 
straw man and then treat it like Stanimir said it, Lawrence!  Shame on you, 
Lawrence!

> The problem is, why does Java need a CODE patch to apply a DATA update? The
> tzdata patch I referenced is just a data patch, no changes to any code at
> all. That’s why folks like Debian feel safe classifying such updates as
> “volatile”, being immediately applicable even to production systems running
> “stable” installations.

Still pulling your "No True Scotsman" bullshit, Lawrence.

First you said no one but Java needs a patch.  Then it was shown that, for 
example, Linux needs a patch.  Then you started making up stuff about the Java 
patch.  And who says the Java patch is a code patch?  Obviously it patches 
something in the bootstrap JAR world, but is it code?  Have you checked?

It's been shown time and again that your argument here is full of shit, so you 
keep changing the terms of your argument.  That's classic "No True Scotsman" 
baloney, there, Lawrence, old boy.

So how about you stop that crap?  I've seen you make valid, well-reasoned 
points before, so how about you make a habit of it, hm, Lawrence, old bean?

That's a good boy.

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
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Timezones and versions of Java loial <jldunn2000@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 07:38 -0700
  Re: Timezones and versions of Java Nigel Wade <nmw-news@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2011-05-23 15:45 +0100
    Re: Timezones and versions of Java loial <jldunn2000@gmail.com> - 2011-05-23 08:12 -0700
  Re: Timezones and versions of Java Nigel Wade <nmw-news@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2011-05-23 16:26 +0100
  Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 11:58 -0400
  Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 11:50 +1200
    Re: Timezones and versions of Java Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-05-24 02:16 +0200
      Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 14:40 +1200
        Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lothar Kimmeringer <news200709@kimmeringer.de> - 2011-05-24 09:12 +0200
          Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-24 20:25 +1200
            Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 08:14 -0400
              Re: Timezones and versions of Java bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> - 2011-05-25 09:55 +0100
            Re: Timezones and versions of Java Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-05-24 12:32 +0000
              Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-25 12:04 +1200
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-24 21:57 -0400
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-05-25 09:39 +0300
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-25 19:49 +1200
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Nigel Wade <nmw-news@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2011-05-25 09:35 +0100
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-05-25 14:55 +0300
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-27 13:09 +1200
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-26 22:11 -0400
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-25 09:35 -0700
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-26 11:34 +1200
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-25 21:50 -0400
                Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-25 19:50 +1200
            Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lothar Kimmeringer <news200709@kimmeringer.de> - 2011-05-24 17:26 +0200
              Re: Timezones and versions of Java Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-25 12:07 +1200
  Re: Timezones and versions of Java Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-24 19:34 -0700

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