Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Timezones and versions of Java Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:11:09 -0400 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net SUmWyL2/IjNDrdqZvRpr29wGOIqBeQtzdxP+fVrBBkeYWSqCqyZkGQ93SBQdy0A+algNWpOvIg1qpWFiaRitiJe0xhJGsNUY0uLawJ5inojB5NoXXYzey2X6vHC94dQl NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 02:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="82Us06ypXAohp7IX3f9A36CJMcwAnmblNoiIrOAN3a73pYFcJRnEVnRZv+Xm5FwBYO/OMoYPizTmckbhrnyG4iDgVCYYXSh87swkrwrDdnQV6c1ZRtCpYUnfXqRVRExJ"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:zmkm60sI3nbf4Slz1gP5QE2M+5U= Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:4627 On 05/26/2011 09:09 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > In message, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: > >> Wed, 25 May 2011 19:49:18 +1200, /Lawrence D'Oliveiro/: >> >>> In message, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: >>> >>>> Java has a TZupdater (Timezone Updater) tool which takes care: >>> >>> So the answer is “no”: you need to download, install and run a separate >>> tool to apply a patch to fix it up. >>> >>> How many people are going to bother with this? >> >> People who care or need it, people maintaining servers. > > Production servers? Are you really going to roll out a code patch willy- > nilly across all your production systems? Where'd you get "willy-nilly"? No one said that. You don't get to add that straw man and then treat it like Stanimir said it, Lawrence! Shame on you, Lawrence! > The problem is, why does Java need a CODE patch to apply a DATA update? The > tzdata patch I referenced is just a data patch, no changes to any code at > all. That’s why folks like Debian feel safe classifying such updates as > “volatile”, being immediately applicable even to production systems running > “stable” installations. Still pulling your "No True Scotsman" bullshit, Lawrence. First you said no one but Java needs a patch. Then it was shown that, for example, Linux needs a patch. Then you started making up stuff about the Java patch. And who says the Java patch is a code patch? Obviously it patches something in the bootstrap JAR world, but is it code? Have you checked? It's been shown time and again that your argument here is full of shit, so you keep changing the terms of your argument. That's classic "No True Scotsman" baloney, there, Lawrence, old boy. So how about you stop that crap? I've seen you make valid, well-reasoned points before, so how about you make a habit of it, hm, Lawrence, old bean? That's a good boy. -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg