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Re: Java left shift and right shift operators.

From	Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: Java left shift and right shift operators.
Date	2011-04-28 19:22 -0400
Organization	Micro Focus
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Owen Jacobson wrote:
> 
> One of the things that could've made Itanic so cool was the ability to
> pre-emptively evaluate both sides of a branch, many instructions in
> advance, and throw away all the alternatives but the one that "actually
> happened". Unfortunately, programming around this was really hard even
> for experienced compiler writers, and the chips were notoriously
> power-hungry and expensive, so it never really took off.

Eh? Speculative execution is hardly a rare CPU feature, among modern
general-purpose CPUs. At least one reference[1] claims "all modern
CPUs" have spec-exec - which seems dubious, but I suppose one could
quibble over what a "modern" CPU is. x86 CPUs have had it at least
since the Pentium Pro (P6).[2] PPC has had it since at least the 603.[3]

If it's branch predication (note I'm talking about *predication*, not
*prediction*, here) you're thinking of, that also antedates Itanium
and continues to be implemented in modern CPUs. DEC Alpha and HP
PA-RISC had limited predication, where stores to memory on a
speculative branch could be rewritten to write to a register instead,
with a predicate-controlled store after the branch result was known;
and PPC has had aggressive predication since at least the 604.[4]

US patent 5,471,593 describes predicated execution; it was filed in
1995. And it cites prior work, including the Cydra 5 from the late
'80s - which I don't know much about, but which apparently had a basic
predicated-execution system.

So, not new in the Itanium, and not sinking with it either.

[1] http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/209
[2] http://www.datasheetarchive.com/datasheet-pdf/078/DSAE0072944.html
[3] http://www.cs.pitt.edu/~alanjawi/history.html
[4]
http://www.princeton.edu/~rblee/ELE572Papers/the-effects-of-predicated.pdf

-- 
Michael Wojcik
Micro Focus
Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University

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