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Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds

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From	Lew <noone@lewscanon.com>
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Subject	Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds
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Markus Gessner wrote:
> Having just begun working with Java, I of course cannot really
> appreciate its merits, but it seems, that it would be impossible to
> implement the needs of a lot of business oriented applications without
> its standards (Java EE), and some frameworks do have a certain charme
> (e.g., JAXB and Hibernate). Nevertheless, the build environment I
> experience gives me the overall impression of a car, nicely fitted with
> teak panels, a GPS system and a minibar, but which has to be cranked
> every mile or so. Says a somewhat frustrated mind, who prefers the
> tramway :-)

OH, come on!  Really?

I've worked on some hairy large projects and smaller ones, too.  The time to 
build an application as affected by this issue is never a factor, unless you 
have improperly factored the dependencies, and that would be a problem in any 
language.

Java's dependencies, at least when using Ant (I agree Maven is a bitch), are 
usually resolvable for incremental builds without issue.  When they aren't, 
it's because of the unique features of Java (it compiles taking 
already-compiled libraries into account, sort of combining compilation and 
linking if you're thinking C[++]-ishly).  In those situations, you do a clean 
build and wait an extra minute.  Big effing deal!

If your clean builds take hours, that's not Java's fault, that's yours.

-- 
Lew
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Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-02-08 17:28 -0800
  Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-02-10 14:17 +0000
    Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-02-10 19:08 -0500
  Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-02-09 14:59 -0800
  Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-02-09 08:02 -0500
  Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Markus Gessner <nospam@nospam.com> - 2011-02-09 08:06 +0100
  Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-02-09 23:56 +0000
    Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-02-10 08:09 -0500
  Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-02-08 22:14 -0500
  Re: Dependency resolution in Java builds Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-02-09 23:28 +0000

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