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Re: Java vs C++

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In message <4d4f43d9$0$23755$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 06-02-2011 18:28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message<iil9uk$b6m$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Joshua Cranmer
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Try, for example, implementing both List<String>  and List<Character> 
>>> in the same class. Java will tell you that you cannot do it. C++, on the
>>> other hand, wouldn't bat an eye.
>>
>> Why does Java impose such a pointless restriction?
> 
> It is given by the use of type erasure.

Which is purely a backward-compatibility mechanism. If I were to take two 
copies of the definition of List<E>, and in one take out <E> and replace E 
with String, and in the other replace it with Character, Java would have no 
problem letting me declare a class that implements both interfaces. But try 
doing it directly with the generic, and it won’t.

Java draws a distinction between the two cases where there really shouldn’t 
be any distinction. That’s what generics are for, after all—they’re there to 
save work for the programmer, not create it.

See, Java started out as not wanting to be like C++: it would take the good 
stuff from C++, and leave the rest behind.

But now, with the addition of generics, it’s clear Java wants to be more 
like C++ after all. The only thing holding it back is not deliberate design 
choices over functionality, but the dead hand of backward compatibility.

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Re: Java vs C++ Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-02-07 15:08 +1300
  Re: Java vs C++ Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-02-06 21:19 -0500
    Re: Java vs C++ Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2011-02-09 01:07 +0800
    Re: Java vs C++ Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-02-07 19:44 -0500
    Re: Java vs C++ Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-02-07 15:53 +1300
      Re: Java vs C++ Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-02-08 10:25 +0000
      Re: Java vs C++ Esmond Pitt <esmond.pitt@bigpond.com> - 2011-02-08 10:26 +1100
      Re: Java vs C++ Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-02-06 22:06 -0500
      Re: Java vs C++ "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> - 2011-02-06 22:42 -0800
      Re: Java vs C++ Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-02-07 21:20 -0500

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