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Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions

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On 11-05-13 07:57 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message <rF7yp.70223$yp3.29927@newsfe09.iad>, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> 
>> On 11-05-09 10:50 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> This is an example of a situation where a little bit more orthogonality
>>> could have made the language much simpler.
>>
>> If you mean orthogonality as in this quote taken from Michael Scott:
>>
>> "Orthogonality means that features can be used in any combination, that
>> the combinations all make sense, and that the meaning of a given feature
>> is consistent, regardless of the other features with which it is
>> combined".
>>
>> then practically no programming language, SQL included, is highly
>> orthogonal.
> 
> I notice your weasel word “highly” there. The point is there are places 
> where, as I said, a little bit more orthogonality could have made the 
> language much simpler.

Not exactly a "weasel word", given all that other commentary I
made...the stuff you snipped out of your reply. Fact is that relations
in SQL are pretty good imitations of FCOs. To your specific allegation,
that SQL does not treat base and derived relvars as FCOs, given the
manipulation that one _can_ do in SQL with tables and views, I'm
wondering what it is that you think is so important?

Bear in mind that what really matters is what you can do with relvars in
_SQL_. If you're quibbling about what you can, or cannot do, with
relvars outside of SQL, as for example with stored procs, then say so,
and don't bitch about SQL.

AHS

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SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl@foo.com> - 2011-05-07 16:13 -0700
  Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-08 14:00 +1200
    Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-08 13:08 +0200
      Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-09 00:01 +1200
        Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-08 08:08 -0400
  Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-05-08 01:02 -0300
    Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-08 13:03 +0200
      Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-05-08 11:14 -0300
        Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-08 23:37 +0200
    Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl@foo.com> - 2011-05-08 16:06 -0700
      Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-09 22:10 +0200
        Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-10 13:50 +1200
          Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-10 00:06 -0700
            Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-13 22:55 +1200
              Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-15 18:52 +0200
          Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-05-10 06:35 -0300
            Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-13 22:57 +1200
              Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-13 07:45 -0400
              Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-05-15 13:09 -0300
                Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-15 18:56 +0200
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    Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-07 23:36 -0700
      Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-08 20:43 +1200
        Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-09 01:27 -0700
  Re: SQL Puzzle - too many dimensions Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-08 07:45 -0400

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