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Re: Source code representation (was: code generation for the ternary operator).

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On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:41:00 -0700, Daniel Pitts
<newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> wrote:

[snip]

>I've often thought about a "new" way of representing code, where the 
>logical structure is stored in not-necessarily-human-editable format, 
>but the tools for managing the code allow it to be presented in a format 
>chosen by the particular maintainer.

     One problem is whether you can replicate my way.  I like my code
formatted a certain way.  If your tool can not do this, I will not
like using it.  I will avoid it if at all possible.

     Other people feel the same way about their formats.  Miss very
many possibilities, and you will have bad will from [|potential]
users.

     I was wading through the editor settings for Visual Studio and
ended up having to shut off a lot of the formatting, because the
formatting done was not to my taste.

     I was just looking through the editor settings for Dreamweaver.
It does not do what I want.  <sigh>

>In other words, you have the language constructs (classes, methods, 
>fields, statements, aspects, loops, etc...) modeled, and then have view 
>in front of that model which make them "look" like something that can be 
>manipulated easily by the programmer.

     A loop already can be manipulated easily by a competent
programmer.

>I would imagine such a system has a bit of ramp-up time, but it would 
>eventually allow you to be much more productive. The "concrete" manor 
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^
     Or it would be a straitjacket.

     I do not understand the captioned words as used.  Should "manor"
be "manner"?

>that the object model stores things would allow you to refactor very easily.

     How would you deal with the case of syntax errors?  I sometimes
have a placeholder.  A simple example would be:
          i=0;
          while (i<SomeValue*****)
             {
             <various looping statements>
             }
The point is that I might not know exactly what the looping condition
has to be.  (In this case, I might be wondering if I will need a flag
for early exit.)  I want to able to enter a placeholder should I need
it.

     VB 6 had a switch for compiling each line as entered.  I did not
like it and disabled it as part of my configuration.  Sometimes, in
mid-line, I would note that I had to change something else.  When the
option was enabled, I would move off the line and often get a syntax
error.  I knew that.  I prefer to be told about compilation errors
when I ask, not to be interrupted by an overeager compiler.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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      Re: code generation for the ternary operator Owen Jacobson <angrybaldguy@gmail.com> - 2011-11-01 01:53 -0400
        Re: code generation for the ternary operator Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-01 06:25 -0700
          Source code representation (was: code generation for the ternary operator). Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-11-01 09:41 -0700
            Re: Source code representation Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-11-01 13:46 -0700
              Re: Source code representation Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-11-01 16:09 -0700
              Re: Source code representation Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-01 23:54 -0700
            Re: Source code representation (was: code generation for the ternary operator). Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-01 17:33 -0700
              Re: Source code representation (was: code generation for the ternary operator). Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-11-02 01:19 -0700
                Re: Source code representation (was: code generation for the ternary operator). Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-02 09:42 -0700
              Re: Source code representation (was: code generation for the ternary operator). Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-02 07:45 -0700
              Re: Source code representation Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-11-02 10:58 -0700
                Re: Source code representation Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-02 14:11 -0700
                Re: Source code representation Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-11-02 15:21 -0700
                Re: Source code representation Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-02 16:07 -0700
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              Re: Source code representation (was: code generation for the ternary operator). Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-02 09:47 -0700
                Re: Source code representation (was: code generation for the ternary operator). Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-02 20:58 +0000
                Re: Source code representation Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-11-02 15:27 -0700
                Re: Source code representation Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-02 23:18 +0000
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                Re: Source code representation Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-11-02 15:30 -0700
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