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Re: Learning Java

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On 12-04-17 06:50 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
> markspace <-@.> wrote:
>> On 4/17/2012 2:03 PM, Steve Graham wrote:
>>> I've been a programmer for 3 decades working in mostly procedural
>>> languages, although I have done some work with a couple of
>>> object-oriented ones.
> 
>>> Which book would you recommend that I read to learn Java? Obviously, I
>>> don't want to read a beginning programming book, nor do I want to study
>>> one which presupposes I know something about Java or a lot about OO
>>> concepts.
> 
> You can do procedural programming in Java. You might find it easier
> to start that way, to get used to Java, and then learn the OO stuff.

I suspect that a cold, hard analysis of all Java code written in the
past 15 years would show that the large majority of it _is_ procedural.

Fact is, Java and Objective-C and C++, to name a few OOP languages, are
generally used to write substantially imperative code, where procedures
appear as object methods. We may as well not ignore that, it's what most
OO programmers do.

Having said that, the advantage of objects and OOP shouldn't be
discounted. We simply shouldn't pretend that modern OOP isn't still
largely imperative/procedural code. If we advise the OP to learn proper
OO - and I certainly do - the fact is that in his studies he's going to
come across a stupendous amount of imperative Java. I recommend that the
OP keep this in mind. There are fine resources available for learning
the principles and theory of OOP; one simply has to remember that much
real-world code deviates substantially.
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Learning Java Steve Graham <jsgrahamus@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-17 15:03 -0600
  Re: Learning Java markspace <-@.> - 2012-04-17 14:33 -0700
    Re: Learning Java glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-04-17 21:50 +0000
      Re: Learning Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-17 19:21 -0400
      Re: Learning Java markspace <-@.> - 2012-04-17 16:47 -0700
        Re: Learning Java glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-04-18 02:30 +0000
          Re: Learning Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-28 21:56 -0400
      Re: Learning Java Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-17 21:07 -0300
        Re: Learning Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-17 22:06 -0400
          Re: Learning Java Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-18 07:11 -0300
            Re: Learning Java Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-04-18 06:47 -0500
            Re: Learning Java Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-18 10:19 -0700
              Re: Learning Java Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-18 10:20 -0700
            Re: Learning Java glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-04-18 21:10 +0000
            Re: Learning Java Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-04-18 15:01 -0700
            Re: Learning Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-28 22:11 -0400
              Re: Learning Java Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-29 11:00 -0300
                Re: Learning Java Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-04-29 11:44 -0700
                Re: Learning Java markspace <-@.> - 2012-04-29 16:34 -0700
                Re: Learning Java Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-30 20:52 -0300
                Re: Learning Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-05 18:17 -0400
                Re: Learning Java Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-05-06 15:49 -0300
                Re: Learning Java Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-07 09:50 -0700
      Re: Learning Java RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2012-04-19 15:30 +0100
  Re: Learning Java Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-17 19:26 -0400
  Re: Learning Java Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-04-17 19:08 -0700
  Re: Learning Java Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-04-26 16:06 -0700
  Re: Learning Java Steve Graham <jsgrahamus@yahoo.com> - 2012-05-15 17:40 -0600

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