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Re: Arithmetic overflow checking

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On 11-07-25 04:56 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 7/25/2011 12:21 AM, Henderson wrote:
>> On 24/07/2011 12:16 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> On 7/23/2011 7:55 PM, Henderson wrote:
>>>> We could go further and rewrite Number.java so that it is Number<T
>>>> extends Number<T>> and defines:
>>>
>>> I don't think it would be wise to tie operator overloading to Number.
>>> Number defines a series of conversions that make some sense for those
>>> types that represent subsets of the real line.
>>
>> I wasn't thinking beyond the real line to the more abstract stuff
>> mathematicians futz around with and consider to have addition and
>> multiplication.
> 
> Historically, complex numbers were indeed invented by and for
> mathematicians for the abstract satisfaction of having solutions for all
> quadratic equations. However, as happens surprisingly often when
> mathematicians think they have invented something abstract for their own
> amusement, scientists and engineers turned them into useful tools for
> practical uses.
> 
> For example, a complex number can represent both magnitude and phase of
> an alternating current. That simplifies some electrical engineering
> calculations.
> 
> I've seen far too many uses of complex numbers in scientific and
> engineering programs to be really comfortable with the fact that Java
> lacks a practical way to express anything other than the simplest
> complex number expressions.
> 
> Patricia

I agree. Unless it were a trivial and very limited use of complex
numbers I'd likely skip Java as a candidate for doing that work. But if
the application had a moderate need for complex numbers, but also a
compelling argument for using Java for most of the logic, I would
consider Scala for the complex numbers bit. Or Jython for that matter.

But for an application that was all about science and engineering
computations my first few choices of programming languages would not
include Java anyway. Nor C#, even though that has much better support
for complex. Just as when I was doing primarily scientific programming
(12 or more years ago) I believe that faced with the same questions
today I'd still look first at what language has got the best built-ins
and libraries for the specific job, including not just data manipulation
but also data visualization.

Another interesting consideration is languages that have type systems
that support the notion of dimension. I've played a bit with that in F#
and Fortress, and I believe that language support for units of measure
is also very important in ensuring program correctness.

AHS

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                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-24 10:54 -0700
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                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-24 12:53 -0700
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