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Re: A question about some long java code that has getters/setters

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On Jul 26, 1:34 pm, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:
> On 7/26/2011 12:15 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
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> > Gene Wirchenko<ge...@ocis.net>  writes:
> >>> Since I do not know whether your methods
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> >    (insert according to their contract , here)
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> >>>                                          set the value of an
> >>> instance variable, I do not know, whether they are setters
> >>> in the sense of my definition. I would need to be able to
> >>> read their contract (documentation) to learn about this.
> >> Read my example contract above.  It does not mention an instance
> >> variable, but any reasonable implementation that I am likely to do
> >> would use one.
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> >    Ok, then - to me - it is not a setter .
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> >> They set something.  Whether it is an instance variable or not is
> >> irrelevant to their use.
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> >    That is even another reason not to make references to instance
> >    variables in the contract of a method.
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> >    A Setter to me is a method with a contract like:
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> >         ... sets the private field "alpha" to the argument value.
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> >    Your method does not set a field but a property of the object.
> >    Its contract does not allow a party to deduce with
> >    certainity something about the private fields of the object.
> >    Therefore, it does not break encapsulation.
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> We have two possible definitions of "setter", with corresponding
> definitions for "getter".
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> 1. A method whose contract specifies setting an instance variable.
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> 2. A method whose contract specifies setting a logical property of the
> object.
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> To me, it seems wasteful to use an nice, short, simple term for
> something that should *never* exist, when it could equally well be used
> for something that is actually useful, so I prefer the second definition.

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Lew

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