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Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases?

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  To: Lew
From: "David Lamb" <david.lamb@1:261/38.remove-qhs-this>

  To: Lew
From: David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>

On 07/08/2012 4:47 PM, Lew wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:26:41 AM UTC-7, David Lamb wrote:
>> Does anyone have data, or at least an informed opinion, on how often
>> genuine users of a proposed piece of software get consulted on
>> developing use cases (or some close equivalent)? I ask here because of
>> the recent UML discussion and because I've seen people, especially Lew,
>> mention use cases reasonably frequently.
>
> I mention use cases in a rather abstract sense, that is, to signify the
underlying
> phenomenon of a collection of circumstances and needs. You seem to use the
> term in a more restricted sense of the documentation of such phenomena.

Not really, which is why I said "or close equivalent." I should probably have 
expanded a bit to say some reasonably precise description of user requirements 
in a reasonably user-comprehensible form.

>> anyone know which of us is closer to right? Is the answer different for
>> the Java and object-oriented-development community than it is for other
>> developers?
>
> Those questions require data.

I know, which is why in the opening paragraph I asked if anyone had data and, 
if not, falling back on informed opinons -- which you gave me later in your 
response. Thanks! and thanks to everyone else who is responding
-- I'm waiting to see how the conversation plays out before saying much
more than I have already (except I plan to clarify what I meant whenever it 
becomes apparent I left out important details).

In any case the data I was hoping for was on practices, not motivations
-- my colleague's expression was to me a hyperbolic version of "they
don't ask the actual users."

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Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "David Lamb" <david.lamb@1:261/38.remove-qhs-this> - 2012-08-08 19:04 +0000
  Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Robert Klemme" <robert.klemme@1:261/38.remove-k2r-this> - 2012-08-09 18:44 +0000
  Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Lew" <lew@1:261/38.remove-k2r-this> - 2012-08-09 18:44 +0000
    Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Gene Wirchenko" <gene.wirchenko@1:261/38.remove-k2r-this> - 2012-08-09 18:44 +0000
      Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Lew" <lew@1:261/38.remove-k2r-this> - 2012-08-09 18:44 +0000
      Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "David Lamb" <david.lamb@1:261/38.remove-k2r-this> - 2012-08-09 18:44 +0000
        Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Gene Wirchenko" <gene.wirchenko@1:261/38.remove-k2r-this> - 2012-08-09 18:44 +0000
        Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Arne Vajhøj" <arne.vajhøj@1:261/38.remove-odu-this> - 2012-08-13 19:38 +0000
    Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "David Lamb" <david.lamb@1:261/38.remove-k2r-this> - 2012-08-09 18:44 +0000
    Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Arne Vajhøj" <arne.vajhøj@1:261/38.remove-odu-this> - 2012-08-13 19:38 +0000
  Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Jukka Lahtinen" <jukka.lahtinen@1:261/38.remove-k2r-this> - 2012-08-09 18:44 +0000
  Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Arne Vajhøj" <arne.vajhøj@1:261/38.remove-odu-this> - 2012-08-13 19:38 +0000
    Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Leif Roar Moldskred" <leif.roar.moldskred@1:261/38.remove-odu-this> - 2012-08-13 19:38 +0000
      Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Gene Wirchenko" <gene.wirchenko@1:261/38.remove-73m-this> - 2012-08-15 19:38 +0000
      Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Leif Roar Moldskred" <leif.roar.moldskred@1:261/38.remove-73m-this> - 2012-08-15 19:38 +0000
        Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? "Gene Wirchenko" <gene.wirchenko@1:261/38.remove-73m-this> - 2012-08-15 19:38 +0000

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