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Re: Swing is dead! Long live Swing.

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On 2/26/2012 7:59 PM, Lew wrote:
> Arved Sandstrom wrote:
...
> One claim I do make is that the further down from compilation to
> customer use you go, the worse it is to catch and fix problems. I
> compared the endpoints; you provided a midpoint in that spectrum. I do
> not claim, in fact explicitly disclaimed that one should never pay such
> a cost. It's a question of what you can afford and what it buys you,
> always.

 > No one is claiming that compilers and type safety solve all problems.
 > What are you hoping to prove? The fact remains that errors that *are*
 > caught at compilation are cheaper to fix than those caught later. The
 > ones that are missed don't change that.

I agree with the principle of earlier is better.

But note that an inconsistency between Java and FXML will
cause an exception every time the scene is attempted to be
displayed.

I will expect GUI developers to try and run their GUI at least once
before considering a change to be done.

So the practical difference between compile time error and runtime
error in this specific case is not as big as in many other cases.

>> Same goes for FXML: where elements of FXML are references to Java
>> things, a proper tool can clearly maintain the mappings between FXML and
>> Java.
>>
>> Surprise, surprise: you actually do have some tools out there that
>> competently do stuff like this, like IntelliJ IDEA for JSF 2.0.
>
> Does it work with FXML?

I would assume not.

I would also assume that tools for FXML will show up if/when
JavaFX becomes popular.

Arne

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  Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-15 20:13 -0800
    Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:33 -0500
  Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Novice <novice@example..com> - 2012-02-16 19:13 +0000
    Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:32 -0500
      Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Novice <novice@example..com> - 2012-02-17 16:35 +0000
        Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-17 18:00 -0500
          Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-27 21:05 -0500
  Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:29 -0500
    Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2012-02-16 15:50 -0800
      Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:52 -0500
        Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2012-02-16 16:01 -0800
          Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 19:07 -0500
        Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-20 20:27 +0100
          Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-20 18:39 -0500
            Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-21 02:09 +0100
              Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-20 20:28 -0500
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-20 20:29 -0500
          Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-02-25 11:37 -0400
            Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-25 10:58 -0500
            Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-26 18:24 +0100
              Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. markspace <-@.> - 2012-02-26 10:27 -0800
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-26 13:16 -0800
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-26 18:05 -0500
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-28 23:19 +0100
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-29 00:00 -0800
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-02-29 09:10 -0800
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-02-29 05:53 -0400
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-29 11:11 +0100
              Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-26 13:16 -0800
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-02-26 19:32 -0400
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-26 16:59 -0800
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-26 21:03 -0500
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-26 21:22 -0800
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-27 21:00 -0500
                Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-28 23:34 +0100
  Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. markspace <-@.> - 2012-02-16 16:43 -0800
  Re: Swing is dead!  Long live Swing. Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-17 09:24 -0800
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