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Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly

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Wanja Gayk wrote:
> esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid says...
>>      My apologies.  I should have asked you to sort
>> 
>> 	new int[] { Integer.MAX_VALUE,
>> 	            Integer.MAX_VALUE - 1,
>> 	          };
>> 
>> ... an array whose range spans only two values.
> 
> Which are both out of range.
> 
> http://r3dux.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Trolling-Is-A-Art.jpg

Eric isn't trolling, he's making a technical point.  The only thing you might find trollish about his remarks is that they completely contradict your points on technical merit, but rejecting technically valid counterpoint by calling it trolling is itself a trollish ploy.

You kept changing the ground of your assertions, which is itself trolling behavior.  You first claim that you aren't talking about all data sets, a point which contradicts your use of big-O notation.  Then you told Eric, "On the other hand: Sorting numbers of a limited range is pretty common."  So Eric provides TWO examples of sorting numbers of a limited range, and you reject both scenarios.  This one you refer to some mythical predetermined range out of which you claim Eric's values are.  Huh?  What range is that, and who made you the Range Czar?

You cannot make a big-O assertion about one data set.  The concept is meaningless.  Asymptotic notation is about algorithmic convergence as problem size grows.

Eric's answer and example were perfectly valid technical challenges to your technical assertions.  Instead of answering him fairly and showing how your general statements apply to his particular counterexample, you wave your hands vaguely and refer to some non-existent criteria not previously stated, and accuse him of trolling when he wasn't.  This actually renders your points invalid.

You can't make algorithmic claims about one particular data set!  Especially when you don't reveal what that data set is.

-- 
Lew

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Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-11 23:14 +0200
  Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-11 17:53 -0400
    Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-12 01:40 +0200
      Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-11 20:32 -0400
        Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-17 02:54 +0200
          Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-16 21:03 -0400
            Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-17 16:52 +0200
              Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-17 11:05 -0400
                Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-18 15:41 +0200
                Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-18 12:53 -0700
                Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-09-18 13:20 -0700
      Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-11 21:10 -0400
        Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-11 20:30 -0700
          Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-12 19:13 -0400
            Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-12 17:42 -0700
              Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-17 02:54 +0200
                Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-16 21:13 -0400
                Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-09-16 23:14 -0700
                Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-17 16:53 +0200
            Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-12 21:24 -0400
      Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-12 10:57 -0700
        Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-12 19:01 -0400
          Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-12 21:29 -0400
            Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly markspace <-@.> - 2011-09-12 19:49 -0700
              Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-12 21:51 -0700
              Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-09-13 11:32 -0500
              Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-13 21:51 -0400
                Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-14 11:00 -0700
            Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-09-13 06:33 -0700
          Re: Using Java Classes to Sort a Small Array Quickly Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-13 09:48 -0700

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