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  Does Java change as much as .NET? jbeteta@gmail.com - 2012-09-27 17:44 -0700
    Re: Does Java change as much as .NET? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 17:55 -0700
    Re: Does Java change as much as .NET? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-09-27 18:55 -0700
    Re: Does Java change as much as .NET? markspace <-@.> - 2012-09-27 19:48 -0700
      Re: Does Java change as much as .NET? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 12:30 -0700
        Re: Does Java change as much as .NET? Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-28 17:00 -0400
        Re: Does Java change as much as .NET? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-09-28 14:00 -0700
    Re: Does Java change as much as .NET? "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-10-16 20:10 -0430

#2118 — Does Java change as much as .NET?

I'm a .NET developer, but don't know too much about Java. Since I'm going to learn Java, I'm wondering if Java changes as much as .NET.

.NET appears in 2002-2003 with 1.1 version. Then each two years Microsoft changes .NET version and add new features, new concepts, new languages, etc. There was Visual Studio 2003, then appears Visual Studio 2005, then VS 2008 and then VS 2010, and so on. It started with Framework 1.1, then came 2.0, then 3.5 and then 4.0.

For Java is similar? Did it have an evolution in a similar way?

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#2119

jbe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm a .NET developer, but don't know too much about Java. Since I'm going to learn Java, I'm wondering if Java changes as much as .NET.

What is your metric of change?

> .NET appears in 2002-2003 with 1.1 version. Then each two years Microsoft changes .NET version and add new features, new concepts, new languages, etc. There was Visual Studio 2003, then appears Visual Studio 2005, then VS 2008 and then VS 2010, and so on. It started with Framework 1.1, then came 2.0, then 3.5 and then 4.0.
> 
> For Java is similar? Did it have an evolution in a similar way?

What is your metric of similarity?

You can google for Java's history, or look on Oracle's web site for the version history.

The amount of change between versions varies. There were really only minor changes from Java 1.2 to Java 1.4, then a major change (including version-numbering nomenclature) between Java 1.4 and Java 5, then smaller changes between Java 5 and 6, then somewhat bigger changes between Java 6 and Java 7.

Meanwhile every new release brought about changes in the library.

Plus within each major release there were minor releases for bug and security fixes.

So again, what are your metrics for size of change and for similarity to a whole different platform?

And GIYF.

-- 
Lew

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#2120

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:44:48 -0700 (PDT), jbeteta@gmail.com wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>For Java is similar? Did it have an evolution in a similar way?

Java  is on major version 7.  code from version 1.0 still runs without
recompilation.

-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
The iPhone 5 is a low end Rolex. 

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#2124

On 9/27/2012 5:44 PM, jbeteta@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm a .NET developer, but don't know too much about Java. Since I'm
> going to learn Java, I'm wondering if Java changes as much as .NET.
>
> .NET appears in 2002-2003 with 1.1 version. Then each two years
> Microsoft changes .NET version and add new features, new concepts,
> new languages, etc. There was Visual Studio 2003, then appears Visual
> Studio 2005, then VS 2008 and then VS 2010, and so on. It started
> with Framework 1.1, then came 2.0, then 3.5 and then 4.0.
>
> For Java is similar? Did it have an evolution in a similar way?
>


Java was released in 1995... ish, and is now up to Java version 7, so 
probably Java changes about as much as .Net stuff.  As Lew mentioned, a 
quick Google search and Wikipedia article could tell you this.

Since I know nothing really about .Net and C#, I can't really compare 
them with Java for you.  If it's really important, I think you should do 
your own research, as anything we make up here isn't likely to be very 
carefully researched (or as in my case, researched at all).

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#2125

markspace wrote:
> jbeteta wrote:
>> I'm a .NET developer, but don't know too much about Java. Since I'm
> > going to learn Java, I'm wondering if Java changes as much as .NET.
> 
...
> 
> Java was released in 1995... ish, and is now up to Java version 7, so 
> probably Java changes about as much as .Net stuff.  As Lew mentioned, a 

How much is "much"?

Not every Java change was the same size, however you measure it.

If one will discuss "how much" a language changes, one needs to define what "how much" 
means.

> quick Google search and Wikipedia article could tell you this.

I don't think it would be quick. A quick search can tell you when major releases, and 
a slight slower one when minor releases, were issued, but is that a measure of "how 
much" change there was?

> Since I know nothing really about .Net and C#, I can't really compare 
> them with Java for you.  If it's really important, I think you should do 
> your own research, as anything we make up here isn't likely to be very 
> carefully researched (or as in my case, researched at all).

Neither can the OP, even with research, without a metric of change.

-- 
Lew

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#2126

On 09/28/2012 03:30 PM, Lew wrote:
> markspace wrote:
>> jbeteta wrote:
>>> I'm a .NET developer, but don't know too much about Java. Since I'm
>>> going to learn Java, I'm wondering if Java changes as much as .NET.
>>
> ...
>>
>> Java was released in 1995... ish, and is now up to Java version 7, so
>> probably Java changes about as much as .Net stuff.  As Lew mentioned, a
>
> How much is "much"?
>
> Not every Java change was the same size, however you measure it.
>
> If one will discuss "how much" a language changes, one needs to define what "how much"
> means.
>
>> quick Google search and Wikipedia article could tell you this.
>
> I don't think it would be quick. A quick search can tell you when major releases, and
> a slight slower one when minor releases, were issued, but is that a measure of "how
> much" change there was?
>
>> Since I know nothing really about .Net and C#, I can't really compare
>> them with Java for you.  If it's really important, I think you should do
>> your own research, as anything we make up here isn't likely to be very
>> carefully researched (or as in my case, researched at all).
>
> Neither can the OP, even with research, without a metric of change.
>
Not much change here.

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#2127

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>markspace wrote:
>> jbeteta wrote:
>>> I'm a .NET developer, but don't know too much about Java. Since I'm
>> > going to learn Java, I'm wondering if Java changes as much as .NET.
>> 
>...
>> 
>> Java was released in 1995... ish, and is now up to Java version 7, so 
>> probably Java changes about as much as .Net stuff.  As Lew mentioned, a 
>
>How much is "much"?
>
>Not every Java change was the same size, however you measure it.
>
>If one will discuss "how much" a language changes, one needs to define what "how much" 
>means.

     I think that the most important measurement of such change is
compatibility changes.

>> quick Google search and Wikipedia article could tell you this.
>
>I don't think it would be quick. A quick search can tell you when major releases, and 
>a slight slower one when minor releases, were issued, but is that a measure of "how 
>much" change there was?

     And if you do not already know the language well, it will not
mean much to you.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#2156

<jbeteta@gmail.com> escribió en el mensaje 
news:6c63b244-9c48-4d4d-b174-ec1084749881@googlegroups.com...
I'm a .NET developer, but don't know too much about Java. Since I'm going to 
learn Java, I'm wondering if Java changes as much as .NET.

.NET appears in 2002-2003 with 1.1 version. Then each two years Microsoft 
changes .NET version and add new features, new concepts, new languages, etc. 
There was Visual Studio 2003, then appears Visual Studio 2005, then VS 2008 
and then VS 2010, and so on. It started with Framework 1.1, then came 2.0, 
then 3.5 and then 4.0.

For Java is similar? Did it have an evolution in a similar way?
--------


Hi,

Java is a living language, so it is subject to permanent evolution.

The difference lies in the fact that Java evolution is dictated by a large 
body that comprises organizations and individuals who have huge code assets 
based on Java, and who would experience great losses, both financial and 
operational, if a change breaks compatibility, while Microsoft is wildly 
running after "innovation", without the least regard or sense of loyalty for 
their customers.

Only plagues evolve in Microsoft's fashion.

--

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