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  java developper exam (gui "Bruintje Beer" <bruintje.beer@THRWHITE.remove-dii-this> - 2011-04-27 15:43 +0000
    Re: java developper exam "Jeroen Wenting" <jeroen.wenting@THRWHITE.remove-dii-this> - 2011-04-27 15:43 +0000
      Re: java developper exam "Lew" <lew@THRWHITE.remove-dii-this> - 2011-04-27 15:43 +0000
        Re: java developper exam "Jeroen Wenting" <jeroen.wenting@THRWHITE.remove-dii-this> - 2011-04-27 15:43 +0000

#3188 — java developper exam (gui

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Hi,

I am starting with my Java Developper Exam and I was asking myself if it is 
alowed to use netbeans to design the gui.

John

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#3190 — Re: java developper exam

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yes and no.
You may use a tool to build a prototype but the code you turn in has to be 
created by you.
And do remember that each IDE leaves its mark on the code it generates, and 
no doubt the asessors will recognise those marks even if you rename things.

What I did was take JBuilder to create a proof of concept and wrote my own 
code to reflect the result of that.

"Bruintje Beer" <me@knoware.nl> wrote in message 
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> Hi,
>
> I am starting with my Java Developper Exam and I was asking myself if it 
> is alowed to use netbeans to design the gui.
>
> John
>
>

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#3194 — Re: java developper exam

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[top-posting corrected]

"Bruintje Beer" wrote...
>> I am starting with my Java Developper Exam and I was asking myself if it 
>> is alowed to use netbeans to design the gui.

Jeroen Wenting wrote:
 > yes and no.
 > You may use a tool to build a prototype but the code you turn in has to be
 > created by you.
 > And do remember that each IDE leaves its mark on the code it generates, and
 > no doubt the asessors will recognise those marks even if you rename things.
 >
 > What I did was take JBuilder to create a proof of concept and wrote my own
 > code to reflect the result of that.

I don't know what the examiners actually do, but if they count use of an IDE 
against you that invalidates the certification to my mind.  I would much more 
trust a developer who knows how to use all the right tools, including things 
like IDEs, UML modeling software, word processors and the like, and all the 
right APIs, over one who thinks they have to re-invent the wheel over every 
little thing.

It still takes skill to do the right thing with, say, Matisse.  It's not like 
the IDE writes the GUI (or the WSDL, or whatever) for you; it simply automates 
some of the drudgery involved.

Whatever the examiners may think, please do use performance-enhancing software 
like IDEs in the real world.

-- 
Lew

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#3208 — Re: java developper exam

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"Lew" <lew@lewscanon.com> wrote in message 
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> [top-posting corrected]
>
> "Bruintje Beer" wrote...
>>> I am starting with my Java Developper Exam and I was asking myself if it 
>>> is alowed to use netbeans to design the gui.
>
> Jeroen Wenting wrote:
> > yes and no.
> > You may use a tool to build a prototype but the code you turn in has to 
> > be
> > created by you.
> > And do remember that each IDE leaves its mark on the code it generates, 
> > and
> > no doubt the asessors will recognise those marks even if you rename 
> > things.
> >
> > What I did was take JBuilder to create a proof of concept and wrote my 
> > own
> > code to reflect the result of that.
>
> I don't know what the examiners actually do, but if they count use of an 
> IDE against you that invalidates the certification to my mind.  I would 
> much more trust a developer who knows how to use all the right tools, 
> including things like IDEs, UML modeling software, word processors and the 
> like, and all the right APIs, over one who thinks they have to re-invent 
> the wheel over every little thing.

The exam however tests your Java skills, NOT your IDE skills.
Anyone with half a mind can slap some parts together in a GUI builder, it 
takes more to know what you're doing.


> Whatever the examiners may think, please do use performance-enhancing 
> software like IDEs in the real world.
>
And you'll have to know how to do without that IDE.
I've seen far too many kids flounder when presented with a situation where 
the exact version of the IDE they'd used to "learn" Java wasn't available.
If the "run" button wasn't in the same place with the same icon they were 
lost...

That's another reason Sun says you have to write your own code.

They also say you can use an IDE, but what you turn in has to be your work, 
not that of a code generator.

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