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RedGrittyBrick wrote:
Lew wrote:
>> Pathetic.

RedGrittyBrick wrote:
> Cruel bastard ;-)

Sorry.  Intended only for rhetorical effect.  All feelings hurt in this 
newsgroup are the sole responsibility of the reader, blah blah blah.

>> Logging takes all of five minutes to learn.  

> I spent hours trying to find out what logging classes were available, 
> which were widely used and whether any were a standard part of JRE 1.5.

Actually, this is a common problem with Java, all right.  I found that log4j 
was very simple, adapted well to learning a little at a time, and relieved me 
of all worries about re-instrumenting for production.  I therefore ignored all 
the other choices.

>> You should actually learn to use, say, log4j, before you pass 
>> judgment.  Try it, you'll like it.

> I will try it, but I suspect I'll probably still use 
> System.out.println() in small programs (one or two classes, < 200 LOC).

Or maybe you won't like it.  It took me a few projects to even bother to set 
up a log4j.properties for a project.  Its simplest uses did enough for a 
while, at least as much as println() and with much less footprint.

> Doubtless a Java client *can* be just as concise and easy to learn but 
> the above were almost straight from the first tutorials I found. I've 
> not found a simple Java tutorial that only uses classes that are part of 
> the standard JRE.

It's a fair cop.  Java can be a real beast.

-- 
Lew

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