Re: What is Model View Presenter. (Was: Hairy generics question)

From	Lew <noone@lewscanon.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer, comp.lang.java.gui
Subject	Re: What is Model View Presenter. (Was: Hairy generics question)
Date	2012-02-26 13:08 -0800
Organization	albasani.net
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On 02/26/2012 10:22 AM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
> On 2/26/12 9:13 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> I'm laying this stuff out there simply to indicate that despite all the
>> terminology, much of it redundant and confusing and artificial, that MVC
>> and MVP are usefully different and real architectures, and that
>> Presenter is definitely not Controller.
>
> I guess I had never heard of MVP, and just assumed the OP was recreating MVC
> without clearly understanding the concept. This apparently was hubris on my
> part, and I humbly apologize for that.
>
> I'm going to do a web search to learn more about MVP architecture later today,
> but I want to know what it means to people in this group as well, X-Posting to
> clj.gui, since it seems relevant.
>
> So, fellow Java engineers and Pragmatic Programmers, how would you compare and
> contrast MVC vs MVP? Are there design/clarity benefits to one over the other?
> That does "Presenter" mean to you?

Only what I find on the Web:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93view%E2%80%93presenter>

According to the fully authoritative and always-correct Wikipedia, it's a 
particular variant of MVC, much as the front-controller pattern is a 
particular variant of MVC.

Apropos of which, someone somewhere around these newsgroups complained that 
MVC was bad for them because it centralized the controller. That's only the 
one flavor of MVC that does that - it's not an essential feature of MVC that 
there be only one controller.

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
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What is Model View Presenter. (Was: Hairy generics question) Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-02-26 10:22 -0800
  Re: What is Model View Presenter. (Was: Hairy generics question) Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-26 13:08 -0800
    Re: What is Model View Presenter. (Was: Hairy generics question) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-26 18:17 -0500

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