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| Started by | forthrightly@no-email.com |
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| First post | 2011-05-04 10:07 +0000 |
| Last post | 2011-05-05 13:16 +0000 |
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SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! forthrightly@no-email.com - 2011-05-04 10:07 +0000
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-05-04 05:28 -0500
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! forthrightly@no-email.com - 2011-05-04 11:41 +0000
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-05-04 09:32 -0500
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2011-05-04 11:18 -0700
[off-topic] 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-05-05 03:34 -0500
Re: [off-topic] 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] forthrightly@no-email.com - 2011-05-05 13:11 +0000
Re: [off-topic] 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-05-05 09:03 -0500
Re: [off-topic] 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] forthrightly@no-email.com - 2011-05-05 14:38 +0000
Re: [off-topic] 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-05-05 10:15 -0500
Re: 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-07 03:47 -0700
Re: [off-topic] 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-05-05 14:17 +0000
Re: [off-topic] 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] forthrightly@no-email.com - 2011-05-05 14:40 +0000
Re: [off-topic] 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-05-06 01:28 +0000
Re: 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2011-05-05 06:59 -0700
Re: 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-05-05 10:12 -0500
Re: 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2011-05-06 20:34 -0700
Re: 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-05-07 02:33 -0500
Re: 32-bit libs [Was: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only!] Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2011-05-07 18:03 -0700
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! forthrightly@no-email.com - 2011-05-04 19:40 +0000
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2011-05-04 14:26 +0000
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-05-04 09:52 -0500
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-05-04 12:09 -0700
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-05-04 10:44 -1000
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! forthrightly@no-email.com - 2011-05-04 21:18 +0000
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-04 22:03 -0700
Re: SwiftForth Linux eval is 32 bit only! forthrightly@no-email.com - 2011-05-05 13:16 +0000
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| From | stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) |
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| Date | 2011-05-04 14:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4dc16211.561704859@192.168.0.50> |
| In reply to | #1736 |
On Wed, 04 May 2011 05:28:19 -0500, Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote: >> Alas I'm running a pure 64 bit distro >> (Slackware) and I can't use your evaluation package on Linux. > >It really is time for you to Upgrade. :-) To OS X? Stephen -- Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691 web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
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| From | Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-05-04 09:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ssOdnXSb1p-F9VzQnZ2dnUVZ7tGdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #1740 |
Stephen Pelc <stephenXXX@mpeforth.com> wrote: > On Wed, 04 May 2011 05:28:19 -0500, Andrew Haley > <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote: > >>> Alas I'm running a pure 64 bit distro >>> (Slackware) and I can't use your evaluation package on Linux. >> >>It really is time for you to Upgrade. :-) > > To OS X? You, sir, are a troublemaker. :-P Andrew.
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| From | BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> |
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| Date | 2011-05-04 12:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6429131d-d97a-41bd-8f6e-a53d1885b1d4@f2g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1740 |
On May 4, 10:26 am, stephen...@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) wrote: > To OS X? A 10 bit distro? What would be the use of ... oh, wait, that must be a 2^10 Linux distro? That's like, what, 1024 bits? Kewl.
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| From | Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-04 10:44 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <RcGdnXOG9r0MJ1zQnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #1734 |
On 5/4/11 12:07 AM, forthrightly@no-email.com wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > > First of all thank you for making the evaluation editions available, really > an impressive package! I prefer to work in the Linux environment so I > downloaded your Linux package. Unfortunately it is 32 bit only. Many Linux > distributions do support what they call multilib, that is 32 or 64 bit > executables, however several major distributions are 64 bit only. Alas I'm > running a pure 64 bit distro (Slackware) and I can't use your evaluation > package on Linux. I'm using it on Windows in the meantime but I'm posting > here in case you weren't aware of this limitation. The fact you included > such nice doc in the package and sample code etc. is outstanding! This is my > first exposure to FORTH and I'm liking it and your product so far! Multilib is available for 64-bit Slackware, but SwiftForth requires the 32-bit libraries to be installed. Of our beta testers (there were about 50 of them!), many had 64-bit distros with 32-bit libraries installed and all worked well with no modification. Our implementation team members both have 64-bit boxes with 32-bit library support. > Will you be making available a 64 bit Linux version for purchasing at some > point. I am not ready at the moment since I'm just getting started but I > would certainly consider your company if I do decide to continue working > with FORTH and curious to know your plans in the Linux area. We have no immediate plans for a 64-bit implementation as that is a full redesign from the bottom up. New assembler, new kernel, all OS binary interfaces are different. It will probably happen at some point, but I can't estimate when. Thank you for your interest! Cheers, Elizabeth -- ================================================== Elizabeth D. Rather (US & Canada) 800-55-FORTH FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784 5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA 90045 http://www.forth.com "Forth-based products and Services for real-time applications since 1973." ==================================================
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| From | forthrightly@no-email.com |
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| Date | 2011-05-04 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnis3gle.jh7.localhost@example.org> |
| In reply to | #1752 |
On 2011-05-04, Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> wrote: > > Multilib is available for 64-bit Slackware, but SwiftForth requires the > 32-bit libraries to be installed. Of our beta testers (there were about > 50 of them!), many had 64-bit distros with 32-bit libraries installed > and all worked well with no modification. Our implementation team > members both have 64-bit boxes with 32-bit library support. Of course you can get any 64 bit distro to run multilib but at least up to the latest release there was no official way to do that and really not any need for it..there are very few pieces of software that can't run 64 bit (Acroread and skype are the *only* ones I can think of) and I personally don't want the annoyance of dealing with multilib on builds and wasting space and trashing my directory tree, since virtually everything can be compiled to a 64 bit executable nowadays. >> Will you be making available a 64 bit Linux version for purchasing at some >> point. I am not ready at the moment since I'm just getting started but I >> would certainly consider your company if I do decide to continue working >> with FORTH and curious to know your plans in the Linux area. > > We have no immediate plans for a 64-bit implementation as that is a full > redesign from the bottom up. New assembler, new kernel, all OS binary > interfaces are different. It will probably happen at some point, but I > can't estimate when. Alright then, thanks for letting me know. Cheers, Harry
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| From | Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-04 22:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8211d4f2-b2d4-4d5d-b4ff-223a99aa4c3d@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1734 |
On May 4, 4:07 am, forthrigh...@no-email.com wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > > First of all thank you for making the evaluation editions available, really > an impressive package! I prefer to work in the Linux environment so I > downloaded your Linux package. Unfortunately it is 32 bit only. Many Linux > distributions do support what they call multilib, that is 32 or 64 bit > executables, however several major distributions are 64 bit only. Alas I'm > running a pure 64 bit distro (Slackware) and I can't use your evaluation > package on Linux. I'm using it on Windows in the meantime but I'm posting > here in case you weren't aware of this limitation. The fact you included > such nice doc in the package and sample code etc. is outstanding! This is my > first exposure to FORTH and I'm liking it and your product so far! > > Will you be making available a 64 bit Linux version for purchasing at some > point. I am not ready at the moment since I'm just getting started but I > would certainly consider your company if I do decide to continue working > with FORTH and curious to know your plans in the Linux area. > > Cheers, > > Harry Baker If this is your first exposure to Forth, then you should take a look at my novice package: http://www.forth.org/novice.html It is designed to help get novices going --- you can begin writing applications without first needing to write a lot of low-level code implementing data structures. Be aware that Elizabeth Rather absolutely hates my novice package. She and her legion of trolls will attack you if you use it: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/browse_thread/thread/c37b473ec4da66f1
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| From | forthrightly@no-email.com |
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| Date | 2011-05-05 13:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnis58p1.vgc.localhost@example.org> |
| In reply to | #1766 |
On 2011-05-05, Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote: > > If this is your first exposure to Forth, then you should take a look > at my novice package: > http://www.forth.org/novice.html > It is designed to help get novices going --- you can begin writing > applications without first needing to write a lot of low-level code > implementing data structures. Hi Hugh thanks for your link. In fact I'm moving along alright and I'm enjoying forth and finding it quite refreshing in it's simplicity. You know at first I couldn't read a bit of the code but after going over some tutorials on the net things are making sense and it's really quite simple, isn't it? It all builds on building blocks, that's a very good design. I think that's one of the goals of Lisp to be extensible and build from the bottom. It would seem FORTH does that very well by it's very design. To you and the others I really have no interest in arguing or controversy. I'm a programmer and I enjoy learning new languages and working out problems on the computer. I really hope nobody starts any arguments on my account as I find that very distasteful. Let's all keep it friendly. The world is too small for fights and discord. Cheers, Harry
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