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  Swiftforth dave <dave6502@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 11:12 +0000
    Re: Swiftforth dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 23:10 +1100
      Re: Swiftforth dave <dave6502@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 14:50 +0000
        Re: Swiftforth dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 15:30 +1100
          Re: Swiftforth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-20 11:58 +0100
            Re: Swiftforth dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 01:13 +1100
          Re: Swiftforth dave <dave6502@gmail.com> - 2026-03-25 15:56 +0000

#134729 — Swiftforth

I am trying to find a definitive list of all the word in swiftforth and a 
description of their meaning, the documentation covers the bulk but 
definitely not all, for example, counter & ucounter I cant find anywhere. 

I am looking for something like the gforth manual where every word is 
listed and explained.

Any ideas anyone ?

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#134731

On 19/03/2026 10:12 pm, dave wrote:
> I am trying to find a definitive list of all the word in swiftforth and a 
> description of their meaning, the documentation covers the bulk but 
> definitely not all, for example, counter & ucounter I cant find anywhere. 
> 
> I am looking for something like the gforth manual where every word is 
> listed and explained.
> 
> Any ideas anyone ?

Doesn't exist unless you make one.  SwiftForth system source often has the
documentation you want.  I assume you've set up your editor so that when
you type (or click) EDIT <wordname> in SF it pulls the requisite file into
your editor so it can be viewed.

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#134733

On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 23:10:34 +1100, dxf wrote:

> On 19/03/2026 10:12 pm, dave wrote:
>> I am trying to find a definitive list of all the word in swiftforth and
>> a description of their meaning, the documentation covers the bulk but
>> definitely not all, for example, counter & ucounter I cant find
>> anywhere.
>> 
>> I am looking for something like the gforth manual where every word is
>> listed and explained.
>> 
>> Any ideas anyone ?
> 
> Doesn't exist unless you make one.  SwiftForth system source often has
> the documentation you want.  I assume you've set up your editor so that
> when you type (or click) EDIT <wordname> in SF it pulls the requisite
> file into your editor so it can be viewed.

That's a shame, I like to browse through and learn obscure words but 
without a definitive list I wont know what I am missing :)

I have set up the edit word to open Pulsar editor, and it works well. 
Thank you for your help.

PS Think I have now got the hang of using the newsgroup app now.

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#134752

On 20/03/2026 1:50 am, dave wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 23:10:34 +1100, dxf wrote:
> 
>> On 19/03/2026 10:12 pm, dave wrote:
>>> I am trying to find a definitive list of all the word in swiftforth and
>>> a description of their meaning, the documentation covers the bulk but
>>> definitely not all, for example, counter & ucounter I cant find
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> I am looking for something like the gforth manual where every word is
>>> listed and explained.
>>>
>>> Any ideas anyone ?
>>
>> Doesn't exist unless you make one.  SwiftForth system source often has
>> the documentation you want.  I assume you've set up your editor so that
>> when you type (or click) EDIT <wordname> in SF it pulls the requisite
>> file into your editor so it can be viewed.
> 
> That's a shame, I like to browse through and learn obscure words but 
> without a definitive list I wont know what I am missing :)

WORDS should give all the words you'll need in practice.  Create a sorted
list from that.  In SF there'll be words that only pertain to the system.
Those are less likely to be documented or needed by users.

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#134754

In article <69bccd6b@news.ausics.net>, dxf  <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 20/03/2026 1:50 am, dave wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 23:10:34 +1100, dxf wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/03/2026 10:12 pm, dave wrote:
>>>> I am trying to find a definitive list of all the word in swiftforth and
>>>> a description of their meaning, the documentation covers the bulk but
>>>> definitely not all, for example, counter & ucounter I cant find
>>>> anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for something like the gforth manual where every word is
>>>> listed and explained.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas anyone ?
>>>
>>> Doesn't exist unless you make one.  SwiftForth system source often has
>>> the documentation you want.  I assume you've set up your editor so that
>>> when you type (or click) EDIT <wordname> in SF it pulls the requisite
>>> file into your editor so it can be viewed.
>>
>> That's a shame, I like to browse through and learn obscure words but
>> without a definitive list I wont know what I am missing :)
>
>WORDS should give all the words you'll need in practice.  Create a sorted
>list from that.  In SF there'll be words that only pertain to the system.
>Those are less likely to be documented or needed by users.
>
I'm proud that all words present in ciforth are useful, there are no words
that are "internal" (and no word goes undocumented.)
If there are internal words, what is the use of the source license of they
are not documented?

Groetjes Albert.
-- 
The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
over 80 years, like Western Europe.

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#134758

On 20/03/2026 9:58 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
> In article <69bccd6b@news.ausics.net>, dxf  <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> WORDS should give all the words you'll need in practice.  Create a sorted
>> list from that.  In SF there'll be words that only pertain to the system.
>> Those are less likely to be documented or needed by users.
>>
> I'm proud that all words present in ciforth are useful, there are no words
> that are "internal" (and no word goes undocumented.)
> If there are internal words, what is the use of the source license of they
> are not documented?

AFAIK a license only grants permission.  Usefulness is a matter for the user
to determine.

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#134789

On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:30:35 +1100, dxf wrote:

> On 20/03/2026 1:50 am, dave wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 23:10:34 +1100, dxf wrote:
>> 
>>> On 19/03/2026 10:12 pm, dave wrote:
>>>> I am trying to find a definitive list of all the word in swiftforth
>>>> and a description of their meaning, the documentation covers the bulk
>>>> but definitely not all, for example, counter & ucounter I cant find
>>>> anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for something like the gforth manual where every word is
>>>> listed and explained.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas anyone ?
>>>
>>> Doesn't exist unless you make one.  SwiftForth system source often has
>>> the documentation you want.  I assume you've set up your editor so
>>> that when you type (or click) EDIT <wordname> in SF it pulls the
>>> requisite file into your editor so it can be viewed.
>> 
>> That's a shame, I like to browse through and learn obscure words but
>> without a definitive list I wont know what I am missing :)
> 
> WORDS should give all the words you'll need in practice.  Create a
> sorted list from that.  In SF there'll be words that only pertain to the
> system.
> Those are less likely to be documented or needed by users.

Yep have done, thank you ... all part of the great adventure :)

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