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Re: The Lisp Curse

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From Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl>
Subject Re: The Lisp Curse
Date 2011-09-10 08:23 +0000
Message-ID <lrasmk.ez7@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> (permalink)
Organization Dutch Forth Workshop
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In article <357d1f08-3ef9-4ecc-8d14-e445700b2fbc@w28g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>,
John Passaniti  <john.passaniti@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sep 8, 9:27=A0am, an...@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
>wrote:
>> I think (based on the fact that I participated in at least
>> two language implementations with virtual machines implemented
>> in C and looked at several more) that one of the main reasons is
>> that it used to be widely available, with efficient implementations. =A0
>> The other main reason is that it used to be low-level enough that
>> you could implement things like tagged pointers in it.
>
>You just restated what I wrote.
>
>> I hope we will soon see a contender for the throne of the
>> portable, efficient and widely available low-level language
>> now that the C compiler maintainers have decided to abandon
>> this aspect of C and restrict themselves (and their users)
>> to the standardized subset of C.
>
>Oh, this again.  I have no problem with your constant whining about
>GCC.  After all, if you give it valid C code and it doesn't compile it
>correctly, you have every reason to complain.  But at the same time,
>at least some of the examples of problems you've presented with the
>compiler strike me as highly non-idiomatic use of C.  Or at the very
>least, aspects of C that are undefined.  And gosh, on a prioritized
>list of all the possible things the GCC maintainers could be working
>on at anyone one time, I'd hope they focus on high-value fixes over
>what you've shown in the past.  At the same time, since you've been
>whining about this for what seems to be years now, maybe they should
>put more effort on this.  At the least, it might prevent you from this
>odd use of language where you talk about GCC indirectly and generalize
>the problem to be part of "C compiler maintainers" when GCC isn't the
>only C compiler.

I remind you that GCC is the "GNU Compiler Collection".
It backends for C and C++ are important, but they claim to be a
general compiler writing front end.
Once Forth is endorsed by GNU, there could be at least some
consideration.

Groetjes Albert

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Re: The Lisp Curse arc <arc@vorsicht-bissig.delete-me.de> - 2011-08-24 11:12 +0000
  Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-08-24 17:12 -0400
    Re: The Lisp Curse arc <arc.deletethis@vorsicht-bissig.de> - 2011-09-01 00:18 +1200
      Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201109.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-09-01 12:11 +0200
        Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-01 19:51 -0400
          Re: The Lisp Curse Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201109.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-09-07 02:39 +0200
            Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 07:36 -0400
      Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-01 19:42 -0400
        Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-02 04:58 -0700
          Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-02 22:08 -0400
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            Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-03 01:14 -0700
            Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-03 03:31 -0700
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                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-04 09:30 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-05 20:25 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-06 00:52 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 07:37 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-09 05:02 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 08:48 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse coos haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2011-09-09 20:36 +0200
                Re: The Lisp Curse George Hubert <georgeahubert@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-09-09 13:09 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-12 06:17 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-14 01:15 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2011-09-06 07:50 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-06 05:22 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2011-09-06 13:28 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-06 07:18 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-06 05:58 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-09-06 07:37 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 08:50 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-09 07:05 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-12 06:40 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-12 04:36 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-12 05:01 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse coos haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2011-09-15 21:05 +0200
        Re: The Lisp Curse stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2011-09-02 12:58 +0000
          Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-02 22:10 -0400
            Re: The Lisp Curse stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2011-09-03 08:55 +0000
              Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-04 06:41 -0400
            Re: The Lisp Curse David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2011-09-09 01:28 -0400
              Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 07:37 -0400
        Re: The Lisp Curse arc <arc.deletethis@vorsicht-bissig.de> - 2011-09-05 01:27 +1200
          Re: The Lisp Curse BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-09-04 14:25 -0700
          Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-05 20:23 -0400
            Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-09-05 16:09 -1000
              Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-05 23:00 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 07:47 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-10 18:38 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-12 06:38 -0400
              Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 07:39 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-09-09 08:32 -1000
                Re: The Lisp Curse Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2011-09-09 15:24 -0500
            Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-06 00:48 -0700
              Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-09-06 03:25 -0500
              Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 05:59 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-09-08 13:27 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-09-08 09:15 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-09-08 14:24 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-09-08 10:11 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-09-08 15:46 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-09-08 11:45 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-08 10:31 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-09-08 12:47 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-14 01:40 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 13:51 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-09-09 10:18 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2011-09-09 21:03 +0200
                Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-09-09 12:35 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-09 13:38 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-12 06:36 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-09-12 06:43 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:38 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Keith H Duggar <duggar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-09-09 10:30 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-09-10 03:45 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-09-10 08:23 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse vandys@vsta.org - 2011-09-08 16:09 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 13:38 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 20:04 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 07:45 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-09 05:34 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 09:49 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-09 09:43 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-12 06:35 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-12 03:57 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:38 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-19 07:29 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-21 18:46 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-11 19:58 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-12 06:30 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-09-12 08:53 -1000
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:38 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2011-09-19 13:57 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 07:43 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-09 04:57 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 08:51 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-11 17:40 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-11 22:03 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-12 06:45 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-13 22:46 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-09-14 09:56 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-12 06:27 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-12 03:38 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-12 21:57 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:41 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-13 21:32 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-13 22:30 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-14 00:47 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-14 13:53 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-15 00:37 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-09-15 08:01 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-09-15 10:40 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:52 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:53 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:46 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-09-12 20:49 +0100
              Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-09 07:46 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-14 02:10 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-14 05:38 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:39 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-14 18:50 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-15 03:44 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-09-15 06:12 -0500
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-15 09:49 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-16 02:20 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:54 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-19 14:32 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-21 18:28 -0400
                Re: The Lisp Curse Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-09-15 03:50 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2011-09-15 12:58 +0000
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-09-15 09:16 -1000
                Re: The Lisp Curse Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-15 22:36 -0700
                Re: The Lisp Curse "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-09-19 09:54 -0400
          Re: The Lisp Curse Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-09-06 09:17 -0700

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