Re: My opinion re LISP

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: My opinion re LISP
Date	2013-04-23 23:04 +0200
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Hugh Aguilar wrote:

> I'm just a newbie at x86 assembly-language. I haven't messed with the
> x86 since the mid 1990s, and that was the Pentium. In those days,
> assembly-language was super-simple. We had the U and V pipes, and we
> could pretty much know at compile-time exactly what was going to
> happen at run-time. Now, everything is much more complicated and
> occult! I don't really like assembly-language. It is like voodoo ---
> you get all of these rituals (like paragraph aligning functions), but
> you don't know how well they work or even why they work, because the
> internals of the x86 are proprietary. That Intel Optimization manual
> that you mentioned really reminds me a lot of a grimoire! We can't
> understand what is going on, the way that we could with the Pentium,
> so we just do the rituals and hope for the best.

Or we do what we Forthers are used to: Try it!  The problem here is that you 
are easily losing the forrest in the trees, as microbenchmarks may show you 
that 16-byte-aligning is good, but for the overall program, this is indeed 
rather bad.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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re: My opinion re LISP "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2013-04-16 15:50 +0000
  Re: My opinion re LISP Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-04-20 21:20 -0700
    Re: My opinion re LISP Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-04-21 16:46 -0700
      Re: My opinion re LISP Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-22 19:30 +0200
        Re: My opinion re LISP Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-04-22 21:41 -0700
          Re: My opinion re LISP Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-23 23:04 +0200
            Re: My opinion re LISP Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 06:10 +0300
            Re: My opinion re LISP Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-04-23 22:17 -0700
            Re: My opinion re LISP anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-04-24 11:59 +0000
      Re: My opinion re LISP Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-04-22 21:49 -0700

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