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<visploveslisp@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You seem to TOGGLE (closest thing to Forth in this thread...) between making
trivial attempts at Forth for which I can't help you and blasting the group
with unwanted messages.  I was rather supportive of you recently despite
many others saying you were just pretending to learn Forth.  It seems I was
wrong.  You're still annoying people instead of learning Forth.

I truly appreciate the verbal barrage of all the thoughts in your brain,
your complete inability to control your impulses to express those thoughts,
the total non-Forth nature of all of them, your apparent attention seeking
nature, and the reiteration of _exactly_ same thoughts every six months or
so under a new and different alias presumably every time the guys in white
lab coats shave your head for electro-shock.  Sorry, that's a total lie.

BTW, although your psychologist told you to keep a journal of your thoughts
via free-association, that doesn't mean posting every one of those thoughts
to c.l.f.

Do you have some sort of prefrontal cortex damage?  Lobotomy?  Is that
hampering your IQ in any way?


> love to see a forth pc beat linux n bsd

I think I've responded to your basic statement of Forth being capable of
"beating" something a few times now, but let me try again.  Forth is not
capable of "beating" anything.  If it was, it would've "beaten" something
many years ago.


IMO - I'll repeat that for those here that seem to ignore clarifiers:

IMO, it's unlikely a Forth PC will ever outperform Linux or BSD.  Neither
the Forth language nor Forth hardware have proven they are sufficiently
capable.  Forth processors utterly failed in the marketplace some years ago.
Even if they had had some advantage over non-Forth processors which I don't
believe they ever did, they weren't sufficiently advanced, low power, or low
cost enough to earn any significant marketshare.  Interpreted languages,
including interpreted Forths, will always be slower than optimized, compiled
code.  Interpreters re-implement a microprocessor in software.  So, you have
a hardware microprocessor executing code which emulates a processor in
software, i.e., slow.  OTOH, compiled Forths do have a chance to compete
with languages like C, but I don't think sufficient resources have been
invested in optimizing Forth.  Even so, I also (still) don't believe the
Forth language has sufficient language features to allow it to be
competitive with C even if Forth is compiled and optimized.  In many
regards, Forth is even more low-level than C.  That's when you read me
saying: "Why didn't or doesn't Forth do this or this?" or "Why does Forth do
it that way?".  Forth also has some words (stack shifts) and features (dual
stacks) that just don't fit well with standard microprocessors.  Once you
strip away the defects in Forth and build up the missing functionality, you
get C.  It's also very late for Forth to gain much market share, i.e., lack
of programmers, not being taught in schools, not being used by industry, C
and C derived language dominance, etc.


Rod Pemberton

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g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? visploveslisp@gmail.com - 2012-07-28 21:53 -0700
  Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-29 08:38 -0700
    Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? visploveslisp@gmail.com - 2012-07-31 11:06 -0700
      Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-31 11:43 -0700
        Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? visploveslisp@gmail.com - 2012-07-31 12:16 -0700
  Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm> - 2012-07-29 16:30 -0400
    Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 00:50 -0700
  Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-07-29 23:06 -0700
    Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 00:49 -0700
      Re: g144 pc anytime soon? better than arm based pc? visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-07-30 13:21 -0700

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