Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes"

From	dxf <dxforth@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes"
Date	2025-05-29 13:57 +1000
Organization	i2pn2 (i2pn.org)
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On 28/05/2025 2:02 pm, Richard wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
> 
> dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> spake the secret code
> <e0b2f1d0a67ca321c4f69f66bef506de768eac9f@i2pn2.org> thusly:
> 
>> [...] A reason Moore gives
>> for leaving Forth Inc was 'Forth started simple, gradually accreting layers
>> of complexity and that became the culture'.  If there's a gene for simplicity
>> it hasn't passed down the generations.
> 
> While this is a nice story, it seems to assume that FORTH exists in a
> timeless vacuum and that it's still 1970.  Microcontrollers today have
> more resources than a PDP-11/70 from 1975.  As much as the appetite
> of the hardware has increased, the appetite for features from
> customers has increased even further.  The more compute power is put
> into the hands of customers, the larger their appetite for features
> and tasks to be put under control of the computer.

Are customers driving obsolescence - or it's forced on them by manufacturers?
I could go for 10 years without upgrading phones, computers etc.  But I'm not
given the chance.

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"A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" Alexis <flexibeast@gmail.com> - 2025-05-27 22:33 +1000
  Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2025-05-27 18:45 +0000
    Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2025-05-27 20:28 +0000
  Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-05-28 11:15 +1000
    Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2025-05-28 04:02 +0000
      Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-28 07:56 -0700
      Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 13:57 +1000
        Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-29 06:47 +0000
          Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-05-29 00:22 -0700
            Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-29 08:24 +0000
              Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-05-29 13:02 +0200
              Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-05-31 00:04 -0700
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-31 10:15 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-05-31 13:58 +0200
            Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-06-03 11:31 +0000
              Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-03 04:39 -0700
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-06-06 12:00 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-06 17:02 -0700
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-06-08 19:41 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-08 20:41 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-08 22:26 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-08 22:58 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-09 06:27 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-09 12:52 +0200
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-09 15:52 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 11:31 +1000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-10 14:03 -0700
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-10 14:09 -0700
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-06-08 19:41 +0000
              Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-03 12:07 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-06-06 12:00 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-06 13:21 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 07:54 -0700
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-06-07 12:47 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-06-07 12:47 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 08:20 -0700
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2025-06-06 14:37 +0000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 00:55 +1000
                Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-06 18:13 +0000
          Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-05-29 08:32 +0042
            Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-05-29 01:12 -0700
          Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 20:09 +1000
          Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2025-05-29 13:50 +0000
            Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:51 +1000
  Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes" "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-06-04 17:48 +0100

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