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| Started by | Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-03-09 00:52 -0800 |
| Last post | 2016-03-30 07:00 -0700 |
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Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 00:52 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-09 10:13 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 02:19 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 02:23 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-09 13:00 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-09 02:38 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 02:59 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-09 10:35 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 00:20 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 02:56 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-09 13:11 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 06:37 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-09 15:50 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 08:19 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-09 17:18 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 00:11 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-10 08:48 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 04:17 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-10 11:12 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 04:16 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 04:20 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 08:41 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-09 17:27 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-09 22:41 -0600
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-10 10:38 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-10 09:37 -0600
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-10 15:51 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-10 18:42 -0600
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:17 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 00:18 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-10 08:51 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 08:50 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable jadill33@gmail.com - 2016-03-09 07:16 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-09 09:27 -0600
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 07:46 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-09 10:56 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 00:25 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-10 08:55 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 01:14 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-11 01:53 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 02:25 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-11 12:31 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 00:03 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-12 09:04 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2016-03-11 02:30 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 02:39 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-11 02:52 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:09 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 08:41 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 02:34 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 02:41 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-11 12:14 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:20 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-11 12:33 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Randy Howard <rhoward.mx@EverybodyUsesIt.com> - 2016-03-11 12:12 -0600
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-11 10:24 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-11 19:04 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Randy Howard <rhoward.mx@EverybodyUsesIt.com> - 2016-03-11 14:20 -0600
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 23:55 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:23 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:25 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-11 12:36 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 05:56 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-11 14:55 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 07:22 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 07:29 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-11 16:01 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 23:41 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-13 13:48 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-11 20:20 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-13 13:06 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-12 17:41 -0600
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 05:03 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-13 13:50 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 10:32 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-13 09:18 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-13 16:31 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 10:17 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 10:17 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 09:06 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-13 09:51 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 10:31 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 12:41 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-11 08:41 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 23:54 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 08:10 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 08:17 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 08:19 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-12 09:16 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 04:17 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-12 19:37 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 11:20 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-13 21:37 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-12 09:48 -0800
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-03-12 20:31 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-12 21:18 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-12 17:54 -0600
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 04:25 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-13 04:44 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 12:31 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-13 11:14 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 16:17 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-13 14:37 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 11:43 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-13 12:08 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 16:31 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 01:12 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 01:21 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-14 13:48 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 01:43 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 01:35 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-14 13:44 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 01:39 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-13 23:04 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-13 16:09 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-13 17:54 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 01:58 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 03:08 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 10:59 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-14 04:59 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 13:15 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 11:09 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 03:18 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-14 11:03 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 11:17 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-14 15:16 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 01:59 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarz45@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 20:13 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-03-15 22:09 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-16 11:53 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 09:39 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 07:57 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-03-16 08:38 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 09:04 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 11:22 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-16 10:42 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 10:57 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-16 11:57 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 10:43 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-16 10:59 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 13:22 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-16 16:09 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-03-16 17:03 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-03-20 13:04 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-03-30 09:07 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 20:34 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 14:04 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-14 11:07 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 03:49 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 13:03 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 11:24 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 11:41 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 19:35 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 01:53 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 02:03 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 02:09 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 02:13 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 02:22 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 02:15 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 02:28 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 02:30 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-15 09:13 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 02:28 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-15 03:15 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-15 13:26 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-15 09:18 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 03:19 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-03-15 15:21 +0100
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 08:39 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-15 09:26 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 00:10 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-15 09:19 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 00:08 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-03-16 08:55 +0100
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-16 09:17 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 09:25 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-14 13:06 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 20:29 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-14 21:03 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-14 14:57 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-03-14 22:35 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-03-16 19:47 +0100
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-14 14:26 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-14 11:37 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-14 11:37 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 08:58 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-15 16:12 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 00:04 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-15 10:48 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-15 18:00 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-15 19:20 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-15 21:24 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 00:50 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-16 11:19 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 04:37 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 11:51 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 05:20 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 07:13 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 09:05 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 11:45 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-16 13:46 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 14:00 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 07:05 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-16 16:42 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 10:21 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 17:33 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 10:44 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 18:00 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 11:08 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 18:19 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 19:38 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 14:00 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 21:52 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 22:12 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 13:39 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 15:39 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-17 02:59 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-17 04:20 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-17 23:46 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-03-17 20:04 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-18 01:05 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-03-17 22:35 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-17 17:19 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-18 01:39 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-18 02:54 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-18 09:08 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-18 11:20 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-18 21:29 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-18 17:48 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 22:09 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-03-17 11:49 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-17 08:45 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-17 12:11 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-03-17 10:31 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-17 11:09 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-17 16:15 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-18 00:39 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 12:04 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Steve Thompson <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 14:21 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 00:53 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 01:00 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 01:24 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-16 11:08 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 11:25 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 00:41 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 08:27 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 06:43 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 14:07 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 08:16 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-16 15:25 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 08:30 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-16 20:32 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 03:26 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-17 16:15 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 11:07 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 08:47 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 10:54 -0500
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 09:35 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-16 11:31 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 02:53 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-28 18:08 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 02:07 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-30 09:45 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-30 17:54 +0100
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-16 20:26 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 03:00 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-17 16:05 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 09:10 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-16 12:24 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-16 13:16 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-16 16:20 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-03-16 16:54 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-16 17:27 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-03-16 13:18 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-16 20:21 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 04:23 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 04:47 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 05:40 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-17 12:49 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 06:45 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2016-03-17 10:00 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 12:40 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 12:00 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-28 12:37 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 17:43 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 01:31 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 01:55 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-30 10:23 +0100
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 02:32 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 02:33 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 07:04 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-30 15:17 +0100
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 07:46 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-30 16:41 +0100
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 09:16 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 09:18 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 09:37 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-03-30 10:32 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-30 12:10 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 17:42 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-29 08:51 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-29 09:56 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-29 12:09 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-29 16:34 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-29 16:50 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-29 17:17 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 02:30 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-03-30 00:52 +0100
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-29 17:27 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 02:26 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2016-03-30 07:09 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 07:33 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-03-30 11:32 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable mrs@kithrup.com (Mike Stump) - 2016-04-29 08:21 +0000
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-04-29 10:35 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-04-29 11:29 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-04-29 12:21 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-05-02 11:55 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-05-02 13:13 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-03-30 08:15 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-03-30 11:39 -0400
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-03-30 09:47 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 08:48 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 02:18 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 06:56 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-03-30 09:04 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 09:25 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 00:52 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 02:05 -0700
Re: Testing nodes and lists for hashtable Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-30 07:00 -0700
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-29 08:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ln37r92sg2.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #85213 |
Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:23 -0700 (PDT), Alla _
> <modelling.data@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I have to learn more about this issue, it's interesting )
>
> You probably created your dictionary file in Apple's TextEdit
> application. The default open and save character mode for TextEdit is
> "automatic". When it's in automatic it saves text files in UTF-8.
>
> Furthermore, even the U.S. MacBook Pro keyboard produces the
> right-single quote symbol you encountered in your data file.
>
> To produce the single-quote ASCII symbol on a Mac keyboard, type
> ctrl-' and you will see ' and not ’.
And in another article:
> It's a keyboard issue. She's on a MacBook Pro.
I'm still skeptical.
I have a Mac (not a MacBook Pro) running MacOS 10.5.8. If TextEdit
behaves as you describe, it's because it's translating an input
apostrophe character (or the scan code it sends) to a right single
quote symbol as you type it. If typing that key gets you a right
single quote *when you type it at a shell prompt*, then it's probably
a keyboard issue. If not, it's just how TextEdit behaves.
I don't see that behavior in TextEdit myself. Either I'm doing
something different from what you're doing, or the older version
I'm using behaves differently from yours, or *maybe* because I'm
using a non-Mac keyboard. But I don't believe using a Mac keyboard
on a Mac would make it that inconvenient to type ASCII text.
In any case, TextEdit is only one possible source of that non-ASCII
character. It could as easily have been copy-and-pasted from a
web page or some word processor document.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-29 09:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <italfb93buflkulhaa4nbopaivimushqv3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85237 |
On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:51:25 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote: >Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:23 -0700 (PDT), Alla _ >> <modelling.data@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>I have to learn more about this issue, it's interesting ) >> >> You probably created your dictionary file in Apple's TextEdit >> application. The default open and save character mode for TextEdit is >> "automatic". When it's in automatic it saves text files in UTF-8. >> >> Furthermore, even the U.S. MacBook Pro keyboard produces the >> right-single quote symbol you encountered in your data file. >> >> To produce the single-quote ASCII symbol on a Mac keyboard, type >> ctrl-' and you will see ' and not ’. > >And in another article: > >> It's a keyboard issue. She's on a MacBook Pro. > >I'm still skeptical. > >I have a Mac (not a MacBook Pro) running MacOS 10.5.8. If TextEdit >behaves as you describe, it's because it's translating an input >apostrophe character (or the scan code it sends) to a right single >quote symbol as you type it. If typing that key gets you a right >single quote *when you type it at a shell prompt*, then it's probably >a keyboard issue. If not, it's just how TextEdit behaves. > Since all keyboards emit scan codes, then yes, it's a keyboard translation problem. (see below) >I don't see that behavior in TextEdit myself. Either I'm doing >something different from what you're doing, or the older version >I'm using behaves differently from yours, or *maybe* because I'm >using a non-Mac keyboard. But I don't believe using a Mac keyboard >on a Mac would make it that inconvenient to type ASCII text. > It took a little digging but I compared TextEdit v1.6 on OSX 10.6.8 on my iMac and Apple keyboard with the behavior of TextEdit v1.10 on OSX 10.10.5 on my MacBook Pro's builtin keyboard. It turns out the culprit is the keyboard translation can be modified two ways. In System Preferences, Keyboard, Text tab, there's a setting for "smart quotes and dashes" where double and single quotes are paired as left-right pairs and corresponding internationalizations can be specified or disabled and in TextEdit itself, by turning off the 'Smart quotes' checkbox. The older OS and TextEdit have no such options. The smart quotes issue is non-existent in the Xcode IDE and in the terminal console. This source of confusion and IMO malfunction, is not surprising - since Jony Ive took over leadership of software development as well as hardware, the software at Almighty Apple has replaced functional consistency and correctness with esthetics and incorrect default behavior. Witness, 7 months of 'Beta' testing of iOS 9.3, only to be retracted and micro-patched because of platform inconsistencies that bricked many iPhones. >In any case, TextEdit is only one possible source of that non-ASCII >character. It could as easily have been copy-and-pasted from a >web page or some word processor document. Until Alla_ replies, my money is on TextEdit being the source. She never stated the source of her data file and it's only alluded to in the C source she posted. I don't remember the version of OSX she was using if she stated it when I queried her about her platform.
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-29 12:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lnlh5114py.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #85243 |
Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:51:25 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
> wrote:
>>Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:23 -0700 (PDT), Alla _
[...]
>>> It's a keyboard issue. She's on a MacBook Pro.
>>
>>I'm still skeptical.
>>
>>I have a Mac (not a MacBook Pro) running MacOS 10.5.8. If TextEdit
>>behaves as you describe, it's because it's translating an input
>>apostrophe character (or the scan code it sends) to a right single
>>quote symbol as you type it. If typing that key gets you a right
>>single quote *when you type it at a shell prompt*, then it's probably
>>a keyboard issue. If not, it's just how TextEdit behaves.
>>
>
> Since all keyboards emit scan codes, then yes, it's a keyboard
> translation problem. (see below)
I'd say a "keyboard translation problem" is not a "keyboard problem".
When you said it was probably a "keyboard problem", I assumed you meant
it was a hardware (or perhaps firmware) issue with the keyboard itself.
It sounds like the keyboard is working just fine; the software is
choosing to translate keyboard input. At least for double quotes, I
gather that it generates both opening and closing quotation marks;
surely the keyboard is not involved in the decision of which to use.
[...]
> The smart quotes issue is non-existent in the Xcode IDE and in the
> terminal console.
Which implies that it's a software issue, yes?
[...]
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Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-29 16:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2b3mfb96ri0p40dd60cdpjo2rpq12unsbj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85257 |
On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:09:13 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote: >Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:51:25 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> >> wrote: >>>Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:23 -0700 (PDT), Alla _ >[...] >>>> It's a keyboard issue. She's on a MacBook Pro. >>> >>>I'm still skeptical. >>> >>>I have a Mac (not a MacBook Pro) running MacOS 10.5.8. If TextEdit >>>behaves as you describe, it's because it's translating an input >>>apostrophe character (or the scan code it sends) to a right single >>>quote symbol as you type it. If typing that key gets you a right >>>single quote *when you type it at a shell prompt*, then it's probably >>>a keyboard issue. If not, it's just how TextEdit behaves. >>> >> >> Since all keyboards emit scan codes, then yes, it's a keyboard >> translation problem. (see below) > >I'd say a "keyboard translation problem" is not a "keyboard problem". >When you said it was probably a "keyboard problem", I assumed you meant >it was a hardware (or perhaps firmware) issue with the keyboard itself. No, that's not what I meant, obviously. Are you this pedantic in person or is this a persona you adopt online? It must be hard to have a simple conversation with you. If I said "My car makes noise when it moves, I think I need the brakes checked." I expect you'd tell me it's the engine or the turbulent airflow and not the brakes because I've ignored those scenarios and not properly described the noise for diagnostic purposes. >It sounds like the keyboard is working just fine; the software is >choosing to translate keyboard input. At least for double quotes, I >gather that it generates both opening and closing quotation marks; >surely the keyboard is not involved in the decision of which to use. > >[...] > >> The smart quotes issue is non-existent in the Xcode IDE and in the >> terminal console. > >Which implies that it's a software issue, yes? > Since all keyboards on the planet that aren't ASCII keyboards with RS-232 interfaces are emitting scan codes that are interpreted by the systems they are interfaced with, I'd say "keyboard problem" and "keyboard translation problem" are functionally identical for the purpose of solving Alla_'s mystery of how she didn't get the apostrophe she was expecting. The fact the keyboard translation is configurable makes the problem solvable, at least for text that was input from the keyboard and not copy-pasted from the web. My point was that she need not have copied the text from the web to obtain the offending character. I haven't seen a true ASCII keyboard since 1986 and even then it was on a proprietary control and not a PC.
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-29 16:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lnshz8zvw8.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #85281 |
Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:09:13 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
> wrote:
[...]
>>I'd say a "keyboard translation problem" is not a "keyboard problem".
>>When you said it was probably a "keyboard problem", I assumed you meant
>>it was a hardware (or perhaps firmware) issue with the keyboard itself.
>
> No, that's not what I meant, obviously.
It wasn't obvious to me -- obviously.
> Are you this pedantic in
> person or is this a persona you adopt online?
If you're going to insult me because I didn't understand what
you meant, as opposed to what you said, then I'm done with this
conversation.
[...]
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-29 17:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7j6mfblc98jkd9vec4ukte973ufhb82gu9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85282 |
On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:50:31 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote: >Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:09:13 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> >> wrote: >[...] >>>I'd say a "keyboard translation problem" is not a "keyboard problem". >>>When you said it was probably a "keyboard problem", I assumed you meant >>>it was a hardware (or perhaps firmware) issue with the keyboard itself. >> >> No, that's not what I meant, obviously. > >It wasn't obvious to me -- obviously. > >> Are you this pedantic in >> person or is this a persona you adopt online? > >If you're going to insult me because I didn't understand what >you meant, as opposed to what you said, then I'm done with this >conversation. > >[...] Hmmm... a question is an insult? I would have asked you the same question in person had you taken that tone in voice as you did in your writing. But I grew tired of this kind of mental masturbation about trivialities a very long time ago.
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| From | Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 02:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2939fde7-39d3-4a4b-bc24-c85e5e24ecca@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #85282 |
On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 3:50:40 AM UTC+4, Keith Thompson wrote: > Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> writes: > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:09:13 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> > > wrote: > [...] > >>I'd say a "keyboard translation problem" is not a "keyboard problem". > >>When you said it was probably a "keyboard problem", I assumed you meant > >>it was a hardware (or perhaps firmware) issue with the keyboard itself. > > > > No, that's not what I meant, obviously. > > It wasn't obvious to me -- obviously. > > > Are you this pedantic in > > person or is this a persona you adopt online? > > If you're going to insult me because I didn't understand what > you meant, as opposed to what you said, then I'm done with this > conversation. > "Boys", please, do not quarrel and do not get personal. It's a discussion board, and not the most convenient one, and we all are very different, and it's not easy to decipher neither the register, nor the goal of different statements, hence be neutral ) Please. You are all great professionals!
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| From | Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 00:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ndf4ah$imq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85281 |
On 30/03/16 00:34, Geoff wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:09:13 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> > wrote: > <snip> >> I'd say a "keyboard translation problem" is not a "keyboard problem". >> When you said it was probably a "keyboard problem", I assumed you meant >> it was a hardware (or perhaps firmware) issue with the keyboard itself. > > No, that's not what I meant, obviously. Are you this pedantic in > person [...]? I can't speak for Keith, but /I/ am certainly at least that pedantic in person. > It must be hard to have a simple conversation with you. It's practically impossible to have a simple conversation with me. It is, however, possible to have an /accurate/ conversation with me. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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| From | Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-29 17:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3p6mfb1tud36uqd364ov0n9u195uhnmftc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85283 |
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:52:50 +0100, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote: >On 30/03/16 00:34, Geoff wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:09:13 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> >> wrote: >> ><snip> > >>> I'd say a "keyboard translation problem" is not a "keyboard problem". >>> When you said it was probably a "keyboard problem", I assumed you meant >>> it was a hardware (or perhaps firmware) issue with the keyboard itself. >> >> No, that's not what I meant, obviously. Are you this pedantic in >> person [...]? > >I can't speak for Keith, but /I/ am certainly at least that pedantic in >person. > >> It must be hard to have a simple conversation with you. > >It's practically impossible to have a simple conversation with me. It >is, however, possible to have an /accurate/ conversation with me. The conversations I've had with you have often been entertaining as you take a very much lighter tone than Keith when it comes to semantic content. You're also a better writer. You and I would probably have a nice time in a pub somewhere over a pint but I'm not sure I could sit across the table from Keith without wanting to jump up and strangle the haughty tone from his vocal cords. Keith has way to many buttons to push that cause "snappen der springenwerk mit spitzen sparken" and wide deviations from the topic at hand.
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| From | Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 02:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <352443b0-d932-498f-a8bf-32b1aa1fd895@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #85281 |
<snip> > Since all keyboards on the planet that aren't ASCII keyboards with > RS-232 interfaces are emitting scan codes that are interpreted by the > systems they are interfaced with, I'd say "keyboard problem" and > "keyboard translation problem" are functionally identical for the > purpose of solving Alla_'s mystery of how she didn't get the > apostrophe she was expecting. The fact the keyboard translation is > configurable makes the problem solvable, at least for text that was > input from the keyboard and not copy-pasted from the web. My point was > that she need not have copied the text from the web to obtain the > offending character. I haven't seen a true ASCII keyboard since 1986 > and even then it was on a proprietary control and not a PC. What is that suppose to mean? ) Of course, I am not capable of keeping up with such conversation because I don't yet have any skills and knowledge required, but shall I deduce from your last sentence that all keyboards do not support ASCII characters? Does it mean that when I type any character using keyboard, the OS has to interpret whatever keyboard produces and to turn that into a genuine ASCII character? It can't be so, can it? Please, note - I understand that my assumptions might sound silly, because I do not have the required knowledge. Sorry.
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| From | mark.bluemel@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 07:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4675ee8e-8e4e-41db-80ee-59fc356c18d7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #85296 |
On Wednesday, 30 March 2016 10:26:30 UTC+1, Alla _ wrote: > What is that suppose to mean? ) Of course, I am not capable of > keeping up with such conversation because I don't yet have any > skills and knowledge required, but shall I deduce from your last > sentence that all keyboards do not support ASCII characters? Does > it mean that when I type any character using keyboard, the OS has > to interpret whatever keyboard produces and to turn that into > a genuine ASCII character? It can't be so, can it? Please, note - > I understand that my assumptions might sound silly, because I do > not have the required knowledge. Sorry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_keyboard#Technology Keyboards send a signal to the computer to say which key has been pressed, software in the computer determines how that key-press is interpreted.
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| From | Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 07:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <15onfbdrb1rrqio4q9bi4pd1mt4f7k729g@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #85296 |
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 02:26:18 -0700 (PDT), Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> wrote: ><snip> >> Since all keyboards on the planet that aren't ASCII keyboards with >> RS-232 interfaces are emitting scan codes that are interpreted by the >> systems they are interfaced with, I'd say "keyboard problem" and >> "keyboard translation problem" are functionally identical for the >> purpose of solving Alla_'s mystery of how she didn't get the >> apostrophe she was expecting. The fact the keyboard translation is >> configurable makes the problem solvable, at least for text that was >> input from the keyboard and not copy-pasted from the web. My point was >> that she need not have copied the text from the web to obtain the >> offending character. I haven't seen a true ASCII keyboard since 1986 >> and even then it was on a proprietary control and not a PC. > >What is that suppose to mean? ) Of course, I am not capable of >keeping up with such conversation because I don't yet have any >skills and knowledge required, but shall I deduce from your last >sentence that all keyboards do not support ASCII characters? Does >it mean that when I type any character using keyboard, the OS has >to interpret whatever keyboard produces and to turn that into >a genuine ASCII character? It can't be so, can it? Please, note - >I understand that my assumptions might sound silly, because I do >not have the required knowledge. Sorry. Modern keyboards don't send the actual character codes of the glyphs they represent on their key faces. They send a hardware dependent "key code" or "scan code" to the system with every keystroke. The keyboard drivers within the operating system have knowledge about the scan codes and interpret the scan codes to choose the system-dependent or language dependent character codes to be used internally as well as the glyph they intend to display. This allows much greater flexibility on a keyboard than would otherwise be possible.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 11:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ndgrcg$qvq$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #85320 |
On 3/30/2016 10:33 AM, Geoff wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 02:26:18 -0700 (PDT), Alla _ > <modelling.data@gmail.com> wrote: > >> <snip> >>> Since all keyboards on the planet that aren't ASCII keyboards with >>> RS-232 interfaces are emitting scan codes that are interpreted by the >>> systems they are interfaced with, I'd say "keyboard problem" and >>> "keyboard translation problem" are functionally identical for the >>> purpose of solving Alla_'s mystery of how she didn't get the >>> apostrophe she was expecting. The fact the keyboard translation is >>> configurable makes the problem solvable, at least for text that was >>> input from the keyboard and not copy-pasted from the web. My point was >>> that she need not have copied the text from the web to obtain the >>> offending character. I haven't seen a true ASCII keyboard since 1986 >>> and even then it was on a proprietary control and not a PC. >> >> What is that suppose to mean? ) Of course, I am not capable of >> keeping up with such conversation because I don't yet have any >> skills and knowledge required, but shall I deduce from your last >> sentence that all keyboards do not support ASCII characters? Does >> it mean that when I type any character using keyboard, the OS has >> to interpret whatever keyboard produces and to turn that into >> a genuine ASCII character? It can't be so, can it? Please, note - >> I understand that my assumptions might sound silly, because I do >> not have the required knowledge. Sorry. > > Modern keyboards don't send the actual character codes of the glyphs > they represent on their key faces. They send a hardware dependent "key > code" or "scan code" to the system with every keystroke. The keyboard > drivers within the operating system have knowledge about the scan > codes and interpret the scan codes to choose the system-dependent or > language dependent character codes to be used internally as well as > the glyph they intend to display. This allows much greater flexibility > on a keyboard than would otherwise be possible. > This isn't just modern keyboards. Even back in the 1970's, IBM's 3270 terminals sent key codes to the terminal electronics, as did the original IBM PC's. I don't know what the TRS-80 and similar sent, but I highly suspect they operated similarly. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | mrs@kithrup.com (Mike Stump) |
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| Date | 2016-04-29 08:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o6Dz7s.207n@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #85329 |
In article <ndgrcg$qvq$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>, Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: >I don't know what the TRS-80 and similar sent, but I highly suspect they >operated similarly. Sent? How quaint. Imagine you have some address lines, and some data lines, and you have push buttons switches between them.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-29 10:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nfvr83$fg1$3@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #86924 |
On 4/29/2016 4:21 AM, Mike Stump wrote: > In article <ndgrcg$qvq$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>, > Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: >> I don't know what the TRS-80 and similar sent, but I highly suspect they >> operated similarly. > > Sent? How quaint. Imagine you have some address lines, and some data > lines, and you have push buttons switches between them. > Did they send ASCII codes? Did they send scan codes? Or did they just send trolling shit like you do? -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-29 11:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nfvue0$udu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86935 |
On 4/29/2016 10:35 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 4/29/2016 4:21 AM, Mike Stump wrote: >> In article <ndgrcg$qvq$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>, >> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: >>> I don't know what the TRS-80 and similar sent, but I highly suspect they >>> operated similarly. >> >> Sent? How quaint. Imagine you have some address lines, and some data >> lines, and you have push buttons switches between them. >> > > Did they send ASCII codes? Did they send scan codes? [...] The TRS-80 model I keyboard didn't "send" anything other than to pull a pin to ground. The BIOS then polled the keyboard's grid to see which key position was pushed, and polled the shift key locations, and converted that location and shift-status to an ASCII value. -- Kenneth Brody
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-29 12:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ng01et$boe$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #86937 |
On 4/29/2016 11:29 AM, Ken Brody wrote: > On 4/29/2016 10:35 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 4/29/2016 4:21 AM, Mike Stump wrote: >>> In article <ndgrcg$qvq$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>, >>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: >>>> I don't know what the TRS-80 and similar sent, but I highly suspect >>>> they >>>> operated similarly. >>> >>> Sent? How quaint. Imagine you have some address lines, and some data >>> lines, and you have push buttons switches between them. >>> >> >> Did they send ASCII codes? Did they send scan codes? > [...] > > The TRS-80 model I keyboard didn't "send" anything other than to pull a > pin to ground. The BIOS then polled the keyboard's grid to see which > key position was pushed, and polled the shift key locations, and > converted that location and shift-status to an ASCII value. > Which means they effectively "sent" a row/column pair. Trolls are sooo literal... -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-02 11:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ng7t43$bv1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86940 |
On 4/29/2016 12:21 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 4/29/2016 11:29 AM, Ken Brody wrote: >> On 4/29/2016 10:35 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 4/29/2016 4:21 AM, Mike Stump wrote: >>>> In article <ndgrcg$qvq$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>, >>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> I don't know what the TRS-80 and similar sent, but I highly suspect >>>>> they >>>>> operated similarly. >>>> >>>> Sent? How quaint. Imagine you have some address lines, and some data >>>> lines, and you have push buttons switches between them. >>>> >>> >>> Did they send ASCII codes? Did they send scan codes? >> [...] >> >> The TRS-80 model I keyboard didn't "send" anything other than to pull a >> pin to ground. The BIOS then polled the keyboard's grid to see which >> key position was pushed, and polled the shift key locations, and >> converted that location and shift-status to an ASCII value. >> > > Which means they effectively "sent" a row/column pair. To me, there's a difference between "sent"/"push", and "made available to be read"/"pull". > Trolls are sooo literal... A woman asks her husband, a programmer, to go shopping. Wife: “Dear, please, go to the nearby grocery store to buy some bread. Also, if they have eggs, buy 6.” Husband: “O.K., hun.” Twenty minutes later the husband comes back bringing 6 loaves of bread. His wife is flabbergasted. Wife: “Dear, why on earth did you buy 6 loaves of bread?” Husband: “They had eggs.” -- Kenneth Brody
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-02 13:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ng81lr$via$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #87100 |
On 5/2/2016 11:55 AM, Ken Brody wrote: > On 4/29/2016 12:21 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 4/29/2016 11:29 AM, Ken Brody wrote: >>> On 4/29/2016 10:35 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> On 4/29/2016 4:21 AM, Mike Stump wrote: >>>>> In article <ndgrcg$qvq$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>, >>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>> I don't know what the TRS-80 and similar sent, but I highly suspect >>>>>> they >>>>>> operated similarly. >>>>> >>>>> Sent? How quaint. Imagine you have some address lines, and some data >>>>> lines, and you have push buttons switches between them. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Did they send ASCII codes? Did they send scan codes? >>> [...] >>> >>> The TRS-80 model I keyboard didn't "send" anything other than to pull a >>> pin to ground. The BIOS then polled the keyboard's grid to see which >>> key position was pushed, and polled the shift key locations, and >>> converted that location and shift-status to an ASCII value. >>> >> >> Which means they effectively "sent" a row/column pair. > > To me, there's a difference between "sent"/"push", and "made available > to be read"/"pull". > All keyboards are just switches, and switches don't "send" anything - they just provide a row/column or similar contact closure. Electronics then convert that into a scan code to be sent to the processor. The only difference between current keyboards and the TRS-80 is where that chip is located. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | supercat@casperkitty.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 08:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f8b67131-a275-4b85-89a8-1b45a7072ece@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #85296 |
On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:26:30 AM UTC-5, Alla _ wrote: > Does > it mean that when I type any character using keyboard, the OS has > to interpret whatever keyboard produces and to turn that into > a genuine ASCII character? It can't be so, can it? On some old equipment including the Apple II, the keyboard switches were wired in a grid in ASCII order; the shift key would reverse the state of bit 4 (digit 1 is 0x31; an exclamation mark is 0x21. A period is 0x2E; a greater-than is 0x3E. An "N" is 0x4E; shift-N generated a caret which is 0x5E.) The Apple //e changed the mapping associated with shifted characters, but did so in hardware in order to ensure compatibility with software that read the keyboard hardware directly. Most other modern machines, including the VIC-20 and subsequent Commodore machines, as well as the IBM PC and Macintosh, have shifted the job of keyboard mapping from hardware to software. In the days when the Apple I was being designed, having a working keyboard greatly facilitated software design (the alternative would be stuffing bytes into a PROM or EPROM using lots of switches) so doing keyboard mapping in hardware avoided the need to create keyboard translation logic without having a keyboard. Many other machines were designed be people who had computers to work with, and could thus use those computers to create the keyboard translation logic for the new machines.
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