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Effect of CPP tags

Started byJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
First post2023-12-26 16:59 +0100
Last post2024-01-08 22:20 -0800
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  Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-26 16:59 +0100
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2023-12-26 17:45 -0500
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-26 22:50 +0000
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-12-27 17:11 +0000
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-12-31 14:45 -0800
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-28 17:34 +0100
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2023-12-28 14:11 -0500
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-28 13:13 -0800
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-28 21:47 +0000
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-28 15:12 -0800
              Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-20 14:29 -0800
                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-21 04:46 +0000
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-21 10:56 -0500
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-21 12:11 -0500
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-21 17:55 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-21 21:57 -0500
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-24 07:42 -0800
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-31 12:43 -0800
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 13:41 -0800
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 09:19 +0100
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-03-14 23:11 -0700
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 23:56 -0700
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-03-14 23:12 -0700
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-11 17:38 -0800
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-28 21:33 +0000
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-28 21:42 +0000
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2023-12-28 18:04 -0500
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-29 16:11 +0100
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-29 16:04 +0100
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-29 17:51 +0000
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-28 21:22 +0000
      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-29 15:52 +0000
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-29 17:27 +0100
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-29 11:01 -0800
            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-29 22:18 +0000
              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-12-31 14:40 +0100
                Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-12-31 12:43 -0500
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-01 12:57 +0100
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-12-31 18:32 -0800
        usleep (Was: Effect of CPP tags) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-12-29 18:10 +0000
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-29 02:35 +0000
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-29 13:31 +0000
        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-12-29 15:58 +0100
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-29 10:33 -0800
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-29 20:23 +0000
              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-29 22:40 +0000
                Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-30 01:28 +0000
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-30 01:58 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-31 01:36 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 02:06 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-31 18:33 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-01 13:09 +0100
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-01-03 00:20 -0600
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 12:49 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-02 09:11 +0100
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-31 21:41 +0000
                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-12-31 16:25 +0100
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 15:45 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-31 18:40 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-31 18:44 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 19:37 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 22:00 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 16:03 -0800
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-01 02:58 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 19:18 -0800
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-01 05:38 +0100
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 22:56 -0800
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-01 08:54 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-31 20:00 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-01 15:38 +0100
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-31 21:44 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 13:51 -0800
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 00:12 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 22:57 -0800
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 07:00 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 23:03 -0800
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 23:06 -0800
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-01 09:18 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-02 15:15 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-01 15:44 +0100
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 15:54 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-02 11:42 +0100
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-02 15:04 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-02 16:12 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-02 18:34 +0100
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-02 20:24 +0000
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-02 13:00 -0800
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-02 13:02 -0800
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-03 00:24 +0100
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-03 02:41 +0000
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-03 03:29 +0000
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 11:55 +0000
                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-03 15:32 +0000
                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 17:14 +0000
                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-03 20:16 +0100
                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-03 19:57 +0000
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-04 09:46 +0100
                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-04 18:57 +0000
                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 23:48 +0000
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-04 01:57 +0000
                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 02:20 +0000
                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-04 16:08 +0000
                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 18:35 +0000
                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-04 20:55 +0100
                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 20:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-04 15:22 -0800
                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-05 10:03 +0100
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-05 18:37 +0000
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 19:25 +0000
                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-04 21:14 +0000
                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-01-04 22:07 +0000
                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 22:48 +0000
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-04 23:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 23:48 +0000
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-04 23:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 01:53 +0000
                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-05 04:53 +0000
                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-05 15:05 +0100
                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 07:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-05 17:34 +0100
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-05 18:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 08:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 19:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 13:21 -0800
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 10:06 +0100
                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 16:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-05 18:44 +0000
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 19:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-05 20:06 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 14:50 -0800
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 01:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 17:55 -0800
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-07 01:00 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-08 22:56 -0800
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 10:02 +0100
                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 22:19 +0000
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-05 22:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 02:04 +0000
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-01-05 23:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 01:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 18:17 -0800
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 10:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 10:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 15:23 +0100
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 13:40 -0800
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 00:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 00:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 16:40 -0800
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 00:58 +0000
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-07 03:30 +0000
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-07 15:48 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 15:34 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 13:50 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 15:53 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 20:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 01:05 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-09 08:30 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 11:11 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-09 15:56 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 17:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-09 19:56 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 13:15 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 21:33 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-09 21:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 09:37 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 12:12 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 14:17 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 14:31 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 16:51 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 20:55 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 20:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-11 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:19 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-11 00:30 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 01:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-11 17:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 18:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Make (was: Re: Effect of CPP tags) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-01-15 21:01 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 02:29 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-10 17:46 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-10 14:51 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 17:58 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-10 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:30 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 20:27 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 14:22 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-09 17:37 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 23:27 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 16:05 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-10 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 16:49 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-10 02:04 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 19:17 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-14 09:26 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-10 11:22 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 01:54 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-10 02:57 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 05:28 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-10 06:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 09:50 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 23:40 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 11:10 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:10 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 11:55 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-11 11:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 14:59 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-01-11 14:58 +0000
                                                                                                                          A good place to discuss Makefiles? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-11 16:56 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-10 02:00 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-10 02:14 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 11:16 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-10 14:49 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 18:13 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 10:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 19:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 11:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 20:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 12:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 21:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 22:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-01-10 21:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 02:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 11:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 12:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 16:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-11 17:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 21:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-11 23:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 23:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-12 09:08 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 18:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 12:16 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 22:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 23:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Anthony Cuozzo <anthony@cuozzo.us> - 2024-01-11 19:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 16:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-12 14:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 16:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 16:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 17:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-12 20:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 16:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-12 17:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 17:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-12 19:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 21:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 13:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-12 21:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 00:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 01:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 17:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-13 15:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-13 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-13 04:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 12:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-13 13:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 22:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-14 00:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 14:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-13 15:26 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 00:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-14 16:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 13:19 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Makefile as an implementation instance of a transformation process (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-15 15:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Makefile as an implementation instance of a transformation process (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-15 15:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-14 09:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Anthony Cuozzo <anthony@cuozzo.us> - 2024-01-14 13:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-01-14 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 19:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 13:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Gabriel Rolland <gabrielrolland@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 09:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 11:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 13:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Gabriel Rolland <gabrielrolland@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 17:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 17:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 18:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 19:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 19:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 20:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 23:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 00:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 18:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 14:22 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 15:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 21:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 15:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 16:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 06:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 11:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 12:21 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 14:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 19:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 13:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Gabriel Rolland <gabrielrolland@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 17:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 14:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Gabriel Rolland <gabrielrolland@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 17:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 13:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-15 11:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 01:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 06:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 14:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 01:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 12:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 12:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 14:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 20:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 21:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 12:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-12 19:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 16:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 17:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-12 19:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 18:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 19:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 20:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 22:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 05:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 12:59 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 04:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 05:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 20:05 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 20:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-13 04:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 07:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 19:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 20:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 05:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-13 04:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 20:52 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 20:57 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 21:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-14 09:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 18:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 13:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 14:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 01:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 20:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 20:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 21:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 22:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 14:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 12:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 00:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 12:09 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 22:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-12 23:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-12 23:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-13 00:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 11:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-17 18:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-17 22:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 23:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-17 16:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-18 00:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 00:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-18 04:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 10:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-18 19:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 20:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 11:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 12:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 13:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 15:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 15:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 18:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 18:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-19 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 19:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-19 17:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 17:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 19:50 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-19 14:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-19 14:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-19 16:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2024-02-26 04:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-26 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 15:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-18 21:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 23:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-18 23:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 13:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-21 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 12:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-12 21:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 12:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 00:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 02:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 07:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 23:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 07:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 17:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 17:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 12:27 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 23:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 18:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 14:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 16:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 17:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-17 02:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:34 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 18:35 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-17 03:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 19:59 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 13:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-17 12:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 14:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 20:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 11:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 14:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-16 15:08 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 16:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 15:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                CPU's MAC instructions (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 06:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-16 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 14:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 15:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 19:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 12:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-16 01:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 11:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 15:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 17:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 13:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-17 13:00 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-18 13:00 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 13:28 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 22:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 15:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-16 18:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 00:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-17 16:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 12:28 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 16:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 16:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 21:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 20:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 15:08 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 18:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 23:00 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 22:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-16 22:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 07:11 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 14:17 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-17 16:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 18:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-17 18:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2024-01-18 17:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2024-03-24 14:24 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 12:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 16:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Interpreter Dispatch in C (was: Effect of CPP Tags) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 19:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Interpreter Dispatch in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 23:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 15:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 18:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 22:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 14:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 14:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 19:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Optimization and inline assembly (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 07:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 18:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 19:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-12 09:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 09:41 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-14 09:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-11 13:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 13:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-11 14:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 12:27 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:24 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:43 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:36 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-09 20:05 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:54 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 01:32 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:45 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:33 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:48 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:49 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 22:12 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 11:23 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 19:23 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 20:46 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 08:21 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 19:20 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 13:12 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 21:37 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2024-01-09 21:51 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-09 16:42 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 12:04 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 18:12 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 12:11 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 21:51 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 01:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-08 22:28 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-09 07:38 +0000
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-07 02:12 +0100
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 01:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 01:47 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 02:16 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 17:15 -0800
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 02:25 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 19:28 -0800
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 15:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-07 15:51 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 01:32 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-07 20:35 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 13:28 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 10:25 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 18:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 19:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 11:22 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 11:21 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 16:00 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 18:02 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 10:39 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 21:36 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 10:32 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 21:41 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2024-01-08 08:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 09:59 -0800
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 12:53 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 14:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 15:28 +0100
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-01-06 09:56 -0500
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 15:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-06 23:58 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-06 23:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 00:21 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 00:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 01:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 02:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 12:14 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 19:29 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 22:41 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 23:27 +0000
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 15:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-07 03:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 11:37 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-07 14:41 -0800
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 22:54 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-07 16:06 -0800
                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-05 15:54 +0000
                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 16:23 +0000
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-04 09:55 +0100
                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 12:15 +0000
                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-04 15:29 +0100
                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-06 05:33 +0100
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-03 17:41 +0100
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 21:32 +0000
                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-04 15:13 +0100
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-03 13:42 -0800
                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-04 12:46 +0100
                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 12:37 +0000
                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-04 12:51 -0500
                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 18:21 +0000
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-04 10:43 -0800
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-04 17:39 -0500
                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-04 12:33 -0500
                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-04 10:36 -0800
                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-04 21:59 +0100
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-02 15:10 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-02 16:38 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-02 20:23 +0100
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-02 19:35 +0000
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-02 20:54 +0100
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-03 20:28 +0100
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 21:45 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-01 23:08 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-02 18:16 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-02 19:05 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-02 21:45 +0000
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2023-12-29 11:58 -0500
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-29 17:44 +0000
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-29 10:54 -0800
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-29 20:19 +0000
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2023-12-30 06:51 +0000
          Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2023-12-30 16:16 -0600
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-30 23:21 +0000
              Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2023-12-30 19:14 -0600
                Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-31 01:34 +0000
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 02:18 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2023-12-30 23:46 -0600
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 15:26 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-31 17:26 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 19:23 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2023-12-31 14:46 -0500
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 15:49 -0600
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-31 23:46 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 01:33 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 02:00 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 11:56 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-01-01 13:06 -0600
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 20:13 +0000
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-01-01 20:20 -0600
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-02 02:34 +0000
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 21:39 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 21:38 +0000
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 22:51 +0000
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 23:10 +0000
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 23:45 +0000
                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-02 00:05 +0000
                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-02 01:14 +0000
                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-02 01:58 +0000
                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-01 20:41 -0800
                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 22:21 -0800
                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-02 06:23 +0000
                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-02 06:47 +0000
                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-02 12:24 +0000
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-02 19:04 +0000
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-02 20:11 +0000
                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-02 20:43 +0000
                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-02 23:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 02:08 +0000
                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-03 02:40 +0000
                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 12:10 +0000
                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 13:03 +0000
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-03 19:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-03 15:33 +0000
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-03 08:37 -0800
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-01 15:54 -0800
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-02 20:05 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-01 15:45 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 20:06 -0800
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 04:48 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 23:00 -0800
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 21:40 +0000
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-01 15:49 -0800
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-02 00:06 +0000
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-01 16:29 -0800
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-01 16:38 -0800
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 23:01 -0800
            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-31 18:37 +0000
              Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 16:59 -0600
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-30 20:12 +0000
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-12-31 16:07 -0800
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 16:36 -0800
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-12-31 18:31 -0800
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 19:08 -0800
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-21 12:36 -0800
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-01 05:56 +0100
        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 22:59 -0800
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-08 22:20 -0800

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#379665

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2023-12-29 02:35 +0000
Message-ID<umlba2$iq0h$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379646
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 16:59:40 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

> But as got obvious *that* way there had been side-effects and I had to
> put the tag at the beginning of all include files (which astonished me)

It has always been thus
<https://manpages.debian.org/7/feature_test_macros.en.html>:

    NOTE: In order to be effective, a feature test macro must be defined
    before including any header files.

> Last time I looked into the system header files, three decades ago, I
> got repelled by all the #ifdef's, cascaded and nested, a spaghetti code
> of dependencies; I'm astonished it works.

The whole concept of include files and string-based macro processing is 
flawed. But that’s C for you ...

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#379670

FromBart <bc@freeuk.cm>
Date2023-12-29 13:31 +0000
Message-ID<ummhnp$rf7k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379665
On 29/12/2023 02:35, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
 > On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 16:59:40 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
 >
 >> But as got obvious *that* way there had been side-effects and I had to
 >> put the tag at the beginning of all include files (which astonished me)
 >
 > It has always been thus
 > <https://manpages.debian.org/7/feature_test_macros.en.html>:
 >
 >      NOTE: In order to be effective, a feature test macro must be defined
 >      before including any header files.
 >
 >> Last time I looked into the system header files, three decades ago, I
 >> got repelled by all the #ifdef's, cascaded and nested, a spaghetti code
 >> of dependencies; I'm astonished it works.
 >
 > The whole concept of include files and string-based macro processing is
 > flawed. But that’s C for you ...

It's not just C's fault. It's the insistence of having have just ONE 
system header that has to work for as many platforms and versions as 
possible.

Then that is just added to over the years to include to result in the 
patched-together mess that you see that is utterly unreadable. You can't 
simplify it it take things out because something could break. It is fragile.

Why not have a dedicated header file that is the specific to a 
particular version of a C compiler for a given platform? That it can be 
streamlined for that purpose.

If someone is maintaining compilers that need to work across a range of 
targets, then they can have a process that synthesises the header needed 
for a specific configuration.

(I guess this is something that is harder on Linux because there, many 
standard headers are not part of a specific C compiler, but are a 
resource shared by all C compilers, or tools that need to process C 
headers.)

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#379671

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2023-12-29 15:58 +0100
Message-ID<ummmqe$s4od$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379670
On 29/12/2023 14:31, Bart wrote:
> On 29/12/2023 02:35, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>  > On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 16:59:40 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>  >
>  >> But as got obvious *that* way there had been side-effects and I had to
>  >> put the tag at the beginning of all include files (which astonished me)
>  >
>  > It has always been thus
>  > <https://manpages.debian.org/7/feature_test_macros.en.html>:
>  >
>  >      NOTE: In order to be effective, a feature test macro must be 
> defined
>  >      before including any header files.
>  >
>  >> Last time I looked into the system header files, three decades ago, I
>  >> got repelled by all the #ifdef's, cascaded and nested, a spaghetti code
>  >> of dependencies; I'm astonished it works.
>  >
>  > The whole concept of include files and string-based macro processing is
>  > flawed. But that’s C for you ...
> 
> It's not just C's fault. It's the insistence of having have just ONE 
> system header that has to work for as many platforms and versions as 
> possible.
> 
> Then that is just added to over the years to include to result in the 
> patched-together mess that you see that is utterly unreadable. You can't 
> simplify it it take things out because something could break. It is 
> fragile.
> 
> Why not have a dedicated header file that is the specific to a 
> particular version of a C compiler for a given platform? That it can be 
> streamlined for that purpose.
> 

This kind of dilemma turns up all the time in development.  You 
regularly have multiple variations of projects or code, where most 
things are the same but there are a few important differences scattered 
around.  If you choose to have separate code bases, you have to 
duplicate work for new features or bug fixes.  If you choose to combine 
them, you risk a mess of compile-time conditionals, or run-time 
conditionals that complicate the code and make it less efficient.  The 
first method is a pain for people maintaining the general code, while 
the second method is a pain for people only interested in one variation. 
  Sometimes it is possible to have a clean separation between common 
parts and variant-specific parts, other times that just makes things 
even more complicated.

There is no good answer here, and often you are stuck with decisions 
that made sense when they were made, but are no longer the best choice 
as the project has grown and developed.  And yet at no point is it 
feasible to throw things out and start again.

I agree it is not just C's fault - it is, I think, inevitable for any 
long-lived large project that is used in many ways.  And it is always 
going to be a pain for some people, no matter what is done.

At least for things like glibc the great majority of people using it for 
their development can ignore the mess and read the documentation instead 
of looking into the header files.  And most of those that /do/ need to 
look in the headers, only need to do so occasionally.


A useful tool that someone might like to write for this particular 
situation would be a partial C preprocessor, letting you choose what 
gets handled.  You could choose to expand the code here for, say, 
_GNU_SOURCE and _BSD_SOURCE - any use of these in #ifdef's and 
conditional compilation would be expanded according to whether you have 
defined the symbols or not, leaving an output that is easier to 
understand while keeping most of the pre-processor stuff unchanged (so 
not affecting #includes, and leaving #define'd macros and constants 
untouched and therefore more readable).

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#379680

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2023-12-29 10:33 -0800
Message-ID<87o7e8voy1.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#379671
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
> A useful tool that someone might like to write for this particular
> situation would be a partial C preprocessor, letting you choose what 
> gets handled.  You could choose to expand the code here for, say,
> _GNU_SOURCE and _BSD_SOURCE - any use of these in #ifdef's and 
> conditional compilation would be expanded according to whether you
> have defined the symbols or not, leaving an output that is easier to 
> understand while keeping most of the pre-processor stuff unchanged (so
> not affecting #includes, and leaving #define'd macros and constants 
> untouched and therefore more readable).

The unifdef tool does some of this.  (I haven't used it much.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#379684

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2023-12-29 20:23 +0000
Message-ID<20231229122012.850@kylheku.com>
In reply to#379680
On 2023-12-29, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>> A useful tool that someone might like to write for this particular
>> situation would be a partial C preprocessor, letting you choose what 
>> gets handled.  You could choose to expand the code here for, say,
>> _GNU_SOURCE and _BSD_SOURCE - any use of these in #ifdef's and 
>> conditional compilation would be expanded according to whether you
>> have defined the symbols or not, leaving an output that is easier to 
>> understand while keeping most of the pre-processor stuff unchanged (so
>> not affecting #includes, and leaving #define'd macros and constants 
>> untouched and therefore more readable).
>
> The unifdef tool does some of this.  (I haven't used it much.)

GNU cpp has an option which is something like this: -fdirectives-only.
It causes it not to expand macros.

However, I don't think there is any way to prevent the removal of
comments, which could be a deal breaker.


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#379686

FromBart <bc@freeuk.cm>
Date2023-12-29 22:40 +0000
Message-ID<umnhtf$103sg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379684
On 29/12/2023 20:23, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2023-12-29, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>>> A useful tool that someone might like to write for this particular
>>> situation would be a partial C preprocessor, letting you choose what
>>> gets handled.  You could choose to expand the code here for, say,
>>> _GNU_SOURCE and _BSD_SOURCE - any use of these in #ifdef's and
>>> conditional compilation would be expanded according to whether you
>>> have defined the symbols or not, leaving an output that is easier to
>>> understand while keeping most of the pre-processor stuff unchanged (so
>>> not affecting #includes, and leaving #define'd macros and constants
>>> untouched and therefore more readable).
>>
>> The unifdef tool does some of this.  (I haven't used it much.)
> 
> GNU cpp has an option which is something like this: -fdirectives-only.
> It causes it not to expand macros.

It flattens include files, processes conditionals, and keeps #defines 
unchanged.

However, it turns gcc's sys/stat.h from 300 lines into 3000 lines.

If I apply it to my stat.h (also my stddef.h which it includes), which 
are 110 lines together, it produces 900 lines. Most of that consists of 
lots of built-in #defines with __ prefixes (each complete with a line 
saying it is built-in).

When I use my own conversion tool (designed to turn C headers that 
define APIs into declarations in my language), the output is 65 lines.

The gcc option does not expand typedefs or macros. So if there is a 
declaration using a type which uses both, that is unchanged, which is 
not helpful. (At least not if trying to create bindings for your FFI.)

gcc with just -E will expand macros but still keep typedefs.

So, for producing a streamlined standard header, it still leaves a lot 
to be desired. And for trying to flatten layers of macros and typedefs, 
to reveal the underlying types, it's not that great either.

Purpose-built tools are always better, but dealing with C is not trivial 
anyway, and dealing with gnu- and gcc-specific features is even harder.

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#379687

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2023-12-30 01:28 +0000
Message-ID<umnrnh$115ko$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379686
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 22:40:47 +0000, Bart wrote:

> It flattens include files, processes conditionals, and keeps #defines
> unchanged.
> 
> However, it turns gcc's sys/stat.h from 300 lines into 3000 lines.

Still, merging all the stuff into fewer files likely means it loads 
faster.

Includes files are kludge, and all these attempts to improve them are a 
kludge on top of a kludge. This is why better-designed languages have a 
proper module system that solves the whole issue.

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#379688

FromBart <bc@freeuk.cm>
Date2023-12-30 01:58 +0000
Message-ID<umntgt$11bra$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379687
On 30/12/2023 01:28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 22:40:47 +0000, Bart wrote:
> 
>> It flattens include files, processes conditionals, and keeps #defines
>> unchanged.
>>
>> However, it turns gcc's sys/stat.h from 300 lines into 3000 lines.
> 
> Still, merging all the stuff into fewer files likely means it loads
> faster.
> 
> Includes files are kludge, and all these attempts to improve them are a
> kludge on top of a kludge. This is why better-designed languages have a
> proper module system that solves the whole issue.

Flattening hierarchies of include files is not popular in C 
applications. But this option doesn't go far enough anyway.

Loading files is not a bottleneck in compilation; it is repeated 
processing of huge amounts of content.

For example a GTK2 user will include "gtk.h", but that involves over 
1000 other #includes, 550 unique, totaling 350K lines of declarations 
across a dozen folders.

All that processing is repeated for each module that includes it.

When I applied my tool to GTK2, I found that all information could be 
reduced to a single, flat 25K line representation in my syntax. (My 
language /has/ a module scheme; that interface file is processed once 
per build.)

It could just as well have generated a 25K line C header file. That's 
93% smaller than all those separate headers, and one #include instead of 
1000.

So, why don't the vendors of the library do that exercise? End-users 
don't need 550 separate header files.

By contrast, all 30 or so standard C headers have 3-5K lines in total. 
The problem there is that it is just very messy.

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#379695

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2023-12-31 01:36 +0000
Message-ID<umqgia$1f5qb$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379688
On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 01:58:53 +0000, Bart wrote:

> So, why don't the vendors of the library do that exercise?

Maybe because most of the “vendors” of proprietary libraries have gone 
extinct. What we have now is “developers” and “contributors” to open-
source projects. And if you have a bright idea for how they can do things 
better, you are free to contribute it.

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#379696

FromBart <bc@freeuk.cm>
Date2023-12-31 02:06 +0000
Message-ID<umqibc$1fc63$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379695
On 31/12/2023 01:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 01:58:53 +0000, Bart wrote:
> 
>> So, why don't the vendors of the library do that exercise?
> 
> Maybe because most of the “vendors” of proprietary libraries have gone
> extinct. What we have now is “developers” and “contributors” to open-
> source projects. And if you have a bright idea for how they can do things
> better, you are free to contribute it.

I have plenty of ideas, but people are generally not interested. Even if 
some were, how do you persuade the creators of 100s of libraries to do 
things differently?

So I use my ideas in my own languages and in my own compilers, including 
one for C. There, the standard headers /are/ specific to that platform, 
although I do only support one. (If another comes along, it will have 
its own set!)

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#379705

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2023-12-31 18:33 +0000
Message-ID<quikN.127077$83n7.22783@fx18.iad>
In reply to#379696
Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> writes:
>On 31/12/2023 01:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 01:58:53 +0000, Bart wrote:
>> 
>>> So, why don't the vendors of the library do that exercise?
>> 
>> Maybe because most of the “vendors” of proprietary libraries have gone
>> extinct. What we have now is “developers” and “contributors” to open-
>> source projects. And if you have a bright idea for how they can do things
>> better, you are free to contribute it.
>
>I have plenty of ideas, but people are generally not interested.

Perhaps they are not very good ideas, then....

Frankly, your obsession with header files is puzzling.   99.9%
percent of C/C++ programmers don't care.

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#379748

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-01 13:09 +0100
Message-ID<umua18$2703o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379705
On 31/12/2023 19:33, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> writes:
>> On 31/12/2023 01:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 01:58:53 +0000, Bart wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, why don't the vendors of the library do that exercise?
>>>
>>> Maybe because most of the “vendors” of proprietary libraries have gone
>>> extinct. What we have now is “developers” and “contributors” to open-
>>> source projects. And if you have a bright idea for how they can do things
>>> better, you are free to contribute it.
>>
>> I have plenty of ideas, but people are generally not interested.
> 
> Perhaps they are not very good ideas, then....
> 
> Frankly, your obsession with header files is puzzling.   99.9%
> percent of C/C++ programmers don't care.

Bart needs to care about the library header files when he is working on 
his C implementation, and it is understandable that he finds existing 
headers frustrating when he is trying to turn them into something his C 
implementation can use.  But you are absolutely correct that the huge 
majority of C programmers don't care what is in these headers.  So as I 
see it, the strange thing about Bart's view of library headers is not 
that /he/ is obsessed with them or frustrated by them, but that he 
apparently feels other people should also be bothered by them.

The glibc (and other C library) developers have a responsibility to make 
headers that work correctly for C programmers, according to the C 
standards and their own documentation of extensions, and without 
significant measurable unnecessary inefficiency - beyond that, they can 
organise things in whatever way suits them and whatever way they find 
easiest.  They have no responsibility to make life easier for people 
making libraries, headers or compilers other than those they choose to 
work with.  Bart is right to think they /could/ have made it vastly 
easier to use their headers with other tools, such as his compiler - but 
wrong to think they /should/ have done so, and wrong to think that more 
than a tiny proportion of C programmers are bothered about it.

C++ programmers (and C++ compiler writers) /do/ care a bit more about 
headers, though not the ones from the C standard library.  C++ headers 
are often very big and are a significant part of compile and build 
times.  Thus compilers often support pre-compiled headers, and one of 
the prime motivations of C++ modules in newer C++ standards is to be 
more efficient and cleaner than header files.

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#379805

FromBGB <cr88192@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-03 00:20 -0600
Message-ID<un2uc5$344iq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379748
On 1/1/2024 6:09 AM, David Brown wrote:
> On 31/12/2023 19:33, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> writes:
>>> On 31/12/2023 01:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 01:58:53 +0000, Bart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, why don't the vendors of the library do that exercise?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe because most of the “vendors” of proprietary libraries have gone
>>>> extinct. What we have now is “developers” and “contributors” to open-
>>>> source projects. And if you have a bright idea for how they can do 
>>>> things
>>>> better, you are free to contribute it.
>>>
>>> I have plenty of ideas, but people are generally not interested.
>>
>> Perhaps they are not very good ideas, then....
>>
>> Frankly, your obsession with header files is puzzling.   99.9%
>> percent of C/C++ programmers don't care.
> 
> Bart needs to care about the library header files when he is working on 
> his C implementation, and it is understandable that he finds existing 
> headers frustrating when he is trying to turn them into something his C 
> implementation can use.  But you are absolutely correct that the huge 
> majority of C programmers don't care what is in these headers.  So as I 
> see it, the strange thing about Bart's view of library headers is not 
> that /he/ is obsessed with them or frustrated by them, but that he 
> apparently feels other people should also be bothered by them.
> 
> The glibc (and other C library) developers have a responsibility to make 
> headers that work correctly for C programmers, according to the C 
> standards and their own documentation of extensions, and without 
> significant measurable unnecessary inefficiency - beyond that, they can 
> organise things in whatever way suits them and whatever way they find 
> easiest.  They have no responsibility to make life easier for people 
> making libraries, headers or compilers other than those they choose to 
> work with.  Bart is right to think they /could/ have made it vastly 
> easier to use their headers with other tools, such as his compiler - but 
> wrong to think they /should/ have done so, and wrong to think that more 
> than a tiny proportion of C programmers are bothered about it.
> 

FWIW:
In my case, I am using a highly modified PDPCLIB (originally written, at 
least in large part, by Paul Edwards). Looking at a few of the files, it 
seems to identify as 2.01 from 2009 ...


My version has ended up changing a few parts:

stdio.h:
Somewhat modified, removed the "IBM mainframe" stuff, which was N/A for 
my uses.

stdlib.h:
Switched over to my own malloc/free implementation, rewrote many of the 
string and memory functions to "not be dead slow";

math.h:
Rewrote most of the math code, a lot of the original versions were slow 
and/or prone to explode at random.
Mostly replaced a lot of the math functions with unrolled Taylor series 
expansions and similar.

signal.h / locale.h / ...:
Added some of this (IIRC original versions were mostly no-op stubs).

Added some amount of C99 stuff and some C11 stuff.

Also added a lot of stuff from POSIX and similar as well.


One observation I have made is that often, the amount of code pulled in 
from headers is larger than the amount of code present in a translation 
unit, and so often "unity builds" are a net win for compilation time.

Though, the normal C library headers are not particularly big offenders 
here, but more things like the OpenGL headers.


Or, in cases where I had crossed paths with "windows.h", the amount of 
stuff this pulls in is "kinda absurd" (but, this is mostly N/A for my 
current project; which makes no attempt to implement the Win32 API).


> C++ programmers (and C++ compiler writers) /do/ care a bit more about 
> headers, though not the ones from the C standard library.  C++ headers 
> are often very big and are a significant part of compile and build 
> times.  Thus compilers often support pre-compiled headers, and one of 
> the prime motivations of C++ modules in newer C++ standards is to be 
> more efficient and cleaner than header files.
> 

Yeah.

For plain C, things are a little more manageable.


Say, if I do (for compiling BGBCC via GCC):
time make -f Makefile.lnx
I get:
real    1m3.247s
user    0m59.688s
sys     0m3.297s

If I use Clang instead:
real    0m37.049s
user    0m33.938s
sys     0m2.000s

If compiling via MSVC, it is more around 20 seconds.


I have not tried to get my compiler to be self-hosting, but this is more 
a case of me trying to compile stuff on my own platform being asking a 
bit much at this stage (my compiler generally eats too much RAM, etc).

As noted, it doesn't really support x86 or ARM, since (as I see it) 
these are served "well enough" by GCC/Clang/MSVC/etc.



If compiling GLQuake, my compiler seems to use around 230MB of RAM. With 
the current version, with "compiler debug output" disabled, takes around 
12 seconds on my Ryzen 2700X.

Assuming that compile time scales linearly with clock-speed, trying to 
build GLQuake on a 50MHz CPU would take 15 minutes, but probably 
significantly longer as it would also need to swap excessively.

These sorts of compile times seem likely unworkable.


Ideally, one would need a compiler that could compile something like 
GLQuake in around 1 second (on a modern PC) at preferably under 40MB of RAM.

Note: For the GLQuake port, the compiler is compiling each C file as its 
own translation unit. Also, this program is only 140 kLOC...

I guess, how quickly does GCC compile Quake?:
real    0m13.523s
user    0m7.781s
sys     0m5.281s

Though, this is the software version.

Hacking GLQuake into building:
real    0m17.777s
user    0m11.609s
sys     0m5.891s

Though, this isn't "actually working", just hacked stuff enough to get 
it to build. This is on top of WSL.

...

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#379749

FromBart <bc@freeuk.cm>
Date2024-01-01 12:49 +0000
Message-ID<umucdg$278sh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379705
On 31/12/2023 18:33, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> writes:
>> On 31/12/2023 01:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 01:58:53 +0000, Bart wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, why don't the vendors of the library do that exercise?
>>>
>>> Maybe because most of the “vendors” of proprietary libraries have gone
>>> extinct. What we have now is “developers” and “contributors” to open-
>>> source projects. And if you have a bright idea for how they can do things
>>> better, you are free to contribute it.
>>
>> I have plenty of ideas, but people are generally not interested.
> 
> Perhaps they are not very good ideas, then....
> 
> Frankly, your obsession with header files is puzzling.   99.9%
> percent of C/C++ programmers don't care.

Well, they should care more.

Even considering only C, using libraries like SDL2, Windows, GTK looks 
simple enough; you just write #include <header.h>, but behind that 
header could be 100s of nested header files and 100s of 1000s of lines 
of code.

I recently had to build a C program of 34 modules, which only totalled 
8Kloc (with an executable of 150KB), but it took even my compiler 1.5 
seconds. What was going on?

It turned out each module was processing the headers for SDL2, and many 
of those headers were including other SDL headers. In all, 7-8000 
#includes were being processed, and SDL2 is one of the smaller such 
libraries.

The information in those SDL headers could be summarised in one header 
file of 3000 lines. Why on earth would all those sub-headers need to be 
exposed to a user-program anyway?

And here I've only looked at the impact on compilation times. Not on 
creating bindings for other languages.

Instead of looking at this problem and coming to a conclusion like mine, 
people prefer to solve by piling on more complexity, or using faster 
machines, or multiple cores, or creating clever build processes to try 
and avoid compiling, or invent 'precompiled headers', or any number of 
fanciful ideas rather than tackling the elephant in the room.

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#379777

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-02 09:11 +0100
Message-ID<un0gf0$2j8sg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379749
On 01/01/2024 13:49, Bart wrote:
> On 31/12/2023 18:33, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> writes:
>>> On 31/12/2023 01:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 01:58:53 +0000, Bart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, why don't the vendors of the library do that exercise?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe because most of the “vendors” of proprietary libraries have gone
>>>> extinct. What we have now is “developers” and “contributors” to open-
>>>> source projects. And if you have a bright idea for how they can do 
>>>> things
>>>> better, you are free to contribute it.
>>>
>>> I have plenty of ideas, but people are generally not interested.
>>
>> Perhaps they are not very good ideas, then....
>>
>> Frankly, your obsession with header files is puzzling.   99.9%
>> percent of C/C++ programmers don't care.
> 
> Well, they should care more.
> 
> Even considering only C, using libraries like SDL2, Windows, GTK looks 
> simple enough; you just write #include <header.h>, but behind that 
> header could be 100s of nested header files and 100s of 1000s of lines 
> of code.

That's true.  And it's true that other languages have better ways of 
handling such things (and no doubt some have worse ways).  We all know 
the inconveniences and risks involved for C headers - the need to prefix 
identifiers so that "sdl2_init" won't conflict with "gtk_init", and the 
selfish disaster of windows.h with macros like "max".  No one here will 
tell you that they think C is a perfect language, and we know this is an 
area where C has more issues than languages with larger structured units 
(namespaces, modules, units - whatever the language calls them).

However, none of that is the issue here.  C programmers care about the 
effect of including a header - what symbols and macros it defines, and 
any conflicts that result.  What they do not care about is what you are 
complaining about - /how/ those effects are achieved.  C programmers, 
other than the maintainers of the headers and anyone trying to port 
non-portable contents to other compilers or systems (such as yourself), 
don't care if the header takes 100 lines or a million lines spread over 
a thousand files.  And nor should they care - it is only the resulting 
effects that matter.

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#379713

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2023-12-31 21:41 +0000
Message-ID<umsn6k$1ro5b$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379696
On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 02:06:37 +0000, Bart wrote:

> I have plenty of ideas, but people are generally not interested.

Lessig’s Law: “the one who writes the code, makes the rules”.

Nobody cares about “ideas”. “Ideas” are a dime a dozen. What matters is 
execution. Put your “idea” into working code, and that will prove your 
point.

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#379700

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2023-12-31 16:25 +0100
Message-ID<ums14k$1p0rs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379686
On 29/12/2023 23:40, Bart wrote:
> On 29/12/2023 20:23, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2023-12-29, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>>>> A useful tool that someone might like to write for this particular
>>>> situation would be a partial C preprocessor, letting you choose what
>>>> gets handled.  You could choose to expand the code here for, say,
>>>> _GNU_SOURCE and _BSD_SOURCE - any use of these in #ifdef's and
>>>> conditional compilation would be expanded according to whether you
>>>> have defined the symbols or not, leaving an output that is easier to
>>>> understand while keeping most of the pre-processor stuff unchanged (so
>>>> not affecting #includes, and leaving #define'd macros and constants
>>>> untouched and therefore more readable).
>>>
>>> The unifdef tool does some of this.  (I haven't used it much.)
>>
>> GNU cpp has an option which is something like this: -fdirectives-only.
>> It causes it not to expand macros.
> 
> It flattens include files, processes conditionals, and keeps #defines 
> unchanged.
> 
> However, it turns gcc's sys/stat.h from 300 lines into 3000 lines.
> 
> If I apply it to my stat.h (also my stddef.h which it includes), which 
> are 110 lines together, it produces 900 lines. Most of that consists of 
> lots of built-in #defines with __ prefixes (each complete with a line 
> saying it is built-in).
> 
> When I use my own conversion tool (designed to turn C headers that 
> define APIs into declarations in my language), the output is 65 lines.
> 
> The gcc option does not expand typedefs or macros. So if there is a 
> declaration using a type which uses both, that is unchanged, which is 
> not helpful. (At least not if trying to create bindings for your FFI.)
> 
> gcc with just -E will expand macros but still keep typedefs.
> 

Note that typedefs are part of the core C language, not the 
preprocessor, so there could not possibly be a cpp option to do anything 
with typedefs (the phrase "expand typedefs" is entirely wrong).

I realise that you (and possibly others) might find it useful for a tool 
to replace typedef identifiers with their definitions, but it could only 
be done for some cases, and is not as simple as macro substitution.

> So, for producing a streamlined standard header, it still leaves a lot 
> to be desired. And for trying to flatten layers of macros and typedefs, 
> to reveal the underlying types, it's not that great either.
> 
> Purpose-built tools are always better, but dealing with C is not trivial 
> anyway, and dealing with gnu- and gcc-specific features is even harder.
> 
> 

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#379702

FromBart <bc@freeuk.cm>
Date2023-12-31 15:45 +0000
Message-ID<ums2al$1p6jm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#379700
On 31/12/2023 15:25, David Brown wrote:
> On 29/12/2023 23:40, Bart wrote:
>> On 29/12/2023 20:23, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-29, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>>>>> A useful tool that someone might like to write for this particular
>>>>> situation would be a partial C preprocessor, letting you choose what
>>>>> gets handled.  You could choose to expand the code here for, say,
>>>>> _GNU_SOURCE and _BSD_SOURCE - any use of these in #ifdef's and
>>>>> conditional compilation would be expanded according to whether you
>>>>> have defined the symbols or not, leaving an output that is easier to
>>>>> understand while keeping most of the pre-processor stuff unchanged (so
>>>>> not affecting #includes, and leaving #define'd macros and constants
>>>>> untouched and therefore more readable).
>>>>
>>>> The unifdef tool does some of this.  (I haven't used it much.)
>>>
>>> GNU cpp has an option which is something like this: -fdirectives-only.
>>> It causes it not to expand macros.
>>
>> It flattens include files, processes conditionals, and keeps #defines 
>> unchanged.
>>
>> However, it turns gcc's sys/stat.h from 300 lines into 3000 lines.
>>
>> If I apply it to my stat.h (also my stddef.h which it includes), which 
>> are 110 lines together, it produces 900 lines. Most of that consists 
>> of lots of built-in #defines with __ prefixes (each complete with a 
>> line saying it is built-in).
>>
>> When I use my own conversion tool (designed to turn C headers that 
>> define APIs into declarations in my language), the output is 65 lines.
>>
>> The gcc option does not expand typedefs or macros. So if there is a 
>> declaration using a type which uses both, that is unchanged, which is 
>> not helpful. (At least not if trying to create bindings for your FFI.)
>>
>> gcc with just -E will expand macros but still keep typedefs.
>>
> 
> Note that typedefs are part of the core C language, not the 
> preprocessor, so there could not possibly be a cpp option to do anything 
> with typedefs (the phrase "expand typedefs" is entirely wrong).
> 
> I realise that you (and possibly others) might find it useful for a tool 
> to replace typedef identifiers with their definitions, but it could only 
> be done for some cases, and is not as simple as macro substitution.

Take this program, which uses two nested typedefs and one macro:

    typedef short T;
    typedef T U;
    #define V U

    typedef struct R {
        V a, b, c;
    } S;

Passed through 'gcc -E', it manages to expand the V in the struct with 
U. (-fdirectives-only doesn't even do that).

So what are the types of 'a, b, c'? Across 1000s of line of code, they 
may need tracking down. At least, for someone not using your super-duper 
tools.

If I use my compiler with 'mcc -mheaders', I get an output file that 
includes this:

     record R = $caligned
         i16 a
         i16 b
         i16 c
     end

It gives all the information I might need. Including the fact that it 
uses default C alignment rules.

Notice however the name of the record is R not S; here it needs a 
struct-tag to avoid an anonymous name. The typedef name is harder to use 
as it is replaced early on in compilation.

Here, I'm effectively expanding a typedef. The output could just as 
equally have been C source code.

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#379707

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2023-12-31 18:40 +0000
Message-ID<oAikN.127079$83n7.60577@fx18.iad>
In reply to#379702
Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> writes:
>On 31/12/2023 15:25, David Brown wrote:

>> I realise that you (and possibly others) might find it useful for a tool 
>> to replace typedef identifiers with their definitions, but it could only 
>> be done for some cases, and is not as simple as macro substitution.
>
>Take this program, which uses two nested typedefs and one macro:
>
>    typedef short T;
>    typedef T U;
>    #define V U
>
>    typedef struct R {
>        V a, b, c;
>    } S;
>
>Passed through 'gcc -E', it manages to expand the V in the struct with 
>U. (-fdirectives-only doesn't even do that).
>
>So what are the types of 'a, b, c'? Across 1000s of line of code, they 
>may need tracking down. At least, for someone not using your super-duper 
>tools.

Perhaps you need to use better names than V, a, b, and c.

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#379708

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2023-12-31 18:44 +0000
Message-ID<20231231104215.299@kylheku.com>
In reply to#379702
On 2023-12-31, Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> wrote:
> Take this program, which uses two nested typedefs and one macro:
>
>     typedef short T;
>     typedef T U;
>     #define V U
>
>     typedef struct R {
>         V a, b, c;
>     } S;
>
> Passed through 'gcc -E', it manages to expand the V in the struct with 
> U. (-fdirectives-only doesn't even do that).
>
> So what are the types of 'a, b, c'? Across 1000s of line of code, they 
> may need tracking down. At least, for someone not using your super-duper 
> tools.

Super duper tools like, oh, Exuberant Ctags from 2011, packaged in Ubuntu:

$ ctags --version
Exuberant Ctags 5.9~svn20110310, Copyright (C) 1996-2009 Darren Hiebert
  Addresses: <dhiebert@users.sourceforge.net>, http://ctags.sourceforge.net
  Optional compiled features: +wildcards, +regex

We run that and then super-duper editor Vim will use the tags
file to jump to the definition of V, and of U.

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