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Effect of CPP tags

Started byJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
First post2023-12-26 16:59 +0100
Last post2024-01-08 22:20 -0800
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  Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-26 16:59 +0100
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2023-12-26 17:45 -0500
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-26 22:50 +0000
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-12-27 17:11 +0000
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-12-31 14:45 -0800
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-28 17:34 +0100
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2023-12-28 14:11 -0500
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-28 13:13 -0800
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-28 21:47 +0000
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-28 15:12 -0800
              Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-20 14:29 -0800
                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-21 04:46 +0000
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-21 10:56 -0500
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-21 12:11 -0500
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-21 17:55 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-21 21:57 -0500
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-24 07:42 -0800
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-31 12:43 -0800
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 13:41 -0800
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 09:19 +0100
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-03-14 23:11 -0700
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 23:56 -0700
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-03-14 23:12 -0700
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-11 17:38 -0800
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-28 21:33 +0000
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-28 21:42 +0000
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2023-12-28 18:04 -0500
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-29 16:11 +0100
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-29 16:04 +0100
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-29 17:51 +0000
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-28 21:22 +0000
      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-29 15:52 +0000
        Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-29 17:27 +0100
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-29 11:01 -0800
            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-29 22:18 +0000
              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-12-31 14:40 +0100
                Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-12-31 12:43 -0500
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-01 12:57 +0100
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-12-31 18:32 -0800
        usleep (Was: Effect of CPP tags) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-12-29 18:10 +0000
    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-29 02:35 +0000
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-29 13:31 +0000
        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-12-29 15:58 +0100
          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-29 10:33 -0800
            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-29 20:23 +0000
              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-29 22:40 +0000
                Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-30 01:28 +0000
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-30 01:58 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-31 01:36 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 02:06 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-31 18:33 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-01 13:09 +0100
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2024-01-03 00:20 -0600
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 12:49 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-02 09:11 +0100
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-31 21:41 +0000
                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-12-31 16:25 +0100
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 15:45 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-31 18:40 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2023-12-31 18:44 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 19:37 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2023-12-31 22:00 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 16:03 -0800
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-01 02:58 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 19:18 -0800
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-01 05:38 +0100
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 22:56 -0800
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-01 08:54 +0000
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-31 20:00 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-01 15:38 +0100
                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2023-12-31 21:44 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 13:51 -0800
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 00:12 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 22:57 -0800
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 07:00 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 23:03 -0800
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 23:06 -0800
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-01 09:18 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-02 15:15 +0000
                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-01 15:44 +0100
                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-01 15:54 +0000
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-02 11:42 +0100
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-02 15:04 +0000
                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-02 16:12 +0000
                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-02 18:34 +0100
                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-02 20:24 +0000
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-02 13:00 -0800
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-02 13:02 -0800
                                Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-03 00:24 +0100
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-03 02:41 +0000
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-03 03:29 +0000
                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 11:55 +0000
                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-03 15:32 +0000
                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 17:14 +0000
                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-03 20:16 +0100
                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-03 19:57 +0000
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-04 09:46 +0100
                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-04 18:57 +0000
                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-03 23:48 +0000
                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-04 01:57 +0000
                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 02:20 +0000
                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-04 16:08 +0000
                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 18:35 +0000
                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-04 20:55 +0100
                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 20:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-04 15:22 -0800
                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-05 10:03 +0100
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-05 18:37 +0000
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 19:25 +0000
                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-04 21:14 +0000
                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-01-04 22:07 +0000
                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 22:48 +0000
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-04 23:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-04 23:48 +0000
                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-04 23:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 01:53 +0000
                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-05 04:53 +0000
                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-05 15:05 +0100
                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 07:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-05 17:34 +0100
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-05 18:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 08:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 19:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 13:21 -0800
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 10:06 +0100
                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 16:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-05 18:44 +0000
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 19:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-05 20:06 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 14:50 -0800
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 01:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 17:55 -0800
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-07 01:00 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-08 22:56 -0800
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 10:02 +0100
                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-05 22:19 +0000
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-05 22:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 02:04 +0000
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-01-05 23:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 01:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 18:17 -0800
                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 10:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 10:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 15:23 +0100
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 13:40 -0800
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 00:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 00:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 16:40 -0800
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 00:58 +0000
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-07 03:30 +0000
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-07 15:48 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 15:34 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 13:50 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 15:53 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 20:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 01:05 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-09 08:30 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 11:11 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-09 15:56 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 17:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-09 19:56 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 13:15 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 21:33 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-09 21:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 09:37 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 12:12 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 14:17 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 14:31 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 16:51 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 20:55 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 20:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-11 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:19 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-11 00:30 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 01:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:25 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-11 17:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 18:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Make (was: Re: Effect of CPP tags) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-01-15 21:01 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 02:29 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-10 17:46 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-10 14:51 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 17:58 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-10 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:30 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 20:27 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 14:22 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-09 17:37 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 23:27 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 16:05 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-10 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 16:49 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-10 02:04 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 19:17 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-14 09:26 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-10 11:22 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 01:54 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-10 02:57 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 05:28 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-10 06:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 09:50 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 23:40 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 11:10 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:10 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 11:55 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-11 11:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 14:59 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-01-11 14:58 +0000
                                                                                                                          A good place to discuss Makefiles? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-11 16:56 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-10 02:00 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-10 02:14 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 11:16 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-10 14:49 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 18:13 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 10:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 19:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 11:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 20:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 12:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 21:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-10 22:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-01-10 21:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 02:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 11:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 12:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 16:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-11 17:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 21:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-11 23:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 23:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-12 09:08 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 18:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 12:16 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-11 22:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 23:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Anthony Cuozzo <anthony@cuozzo.us> - 2024-01-11 19:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 16:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-12 14:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 16:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 16:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 17:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-12 20:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 16:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-12 17:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 17:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-12 19:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 21:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 13:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-12 21:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 00:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 01:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 17:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-13 15:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-13 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-13 04:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 12:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-13 13:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 22:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-14 00:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 14:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-13 15:26 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 00:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-14 16:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 13:19 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Makefile as an implementation instance of a transformation process (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-15 15:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Makefile as an implementation instance of a transformation process (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-15 15:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-14 09:54 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Anthony Cuozzo <anthony@cuozzo.us> - 2024-01-14 13:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-01-14 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 19:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 13:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Gabriel Rolland <gabrielrolland@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 09:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 11:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 13:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Gabriel Rolland <gabrielrolland@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 17:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 17:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 18:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 19:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 19:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 20:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 23:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 00:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 18:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 14:22 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 15:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 21:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 15:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 16:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 06:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 11:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 12:21 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 14:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Switch fallthrough considered harmful? (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 19:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 13:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Gabriel Rolland <gabrielrolland@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 17:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 14:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Gabriel Rolland <gabrielrolland@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 17:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 13:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-15 11:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 01:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 06:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-13 14:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 01:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 12:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 12:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 14:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 20:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 21:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 12:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-12 19:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 16:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 17:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-12 19:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 18:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 19:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 20:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 22:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 05:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 12:59 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 04:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 05:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 20:05 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 20:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-13 04:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 07:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 19:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-12 20:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-13 05:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-13 04:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 20:52 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 20:57 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 21:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-14 09:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 18:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 13:11 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 14:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 01:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 20:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 20:39 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 21:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 22:37 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 14:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 12:21 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 00:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 12:09 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-12 22:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-12 23:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-12 23:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2024-01-13 00:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 11:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-17 18:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-17 22:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 23:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-17 16:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-18 00:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 00:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-18 04:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 10:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-18 19:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 20:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 11:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 12:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 13:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 15:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 15:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 18:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 18:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-19 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 19:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-19 17:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-19 17:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-19 19:50 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-19 14:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-19 14:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-19 16:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2024-02-26 04:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-26 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 15:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-18 21:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-18 23:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-18 23:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 13:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-21 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 12:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-12 21:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-14 12:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 00:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 02:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 07:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 23:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 07:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 17:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 17:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 12:27 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-15 23:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 18:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 14:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 16:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 17:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-17 02:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:34 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 18:35 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-17 03:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 19:59 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 13:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-17 12:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 14:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 20:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 11:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 14:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-16 15:08 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 16:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 15:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                CPU's MAC instructions (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 06:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-16 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 14:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 15:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-15 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 19:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 12:31 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-16 01:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 11:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 15:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 17:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 13:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-17 13:00 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-18 13:00 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 13:28 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:55 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 22:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 15:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-16 18:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 00:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-17 16:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 21:44 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 12:28 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 16:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 16:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-15 21:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-15 20:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 15:08 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 18:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 23:00 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-16 22:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-16 22:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 07:11 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 14:17 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-17 16:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 18:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-17 18:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2024-01-18 17:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: NO vs. SE (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2024-03-24 14:24 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 12:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 16:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Interpreter Dispatch in C (was: Effect of CPP Tags) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 19:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Interpreter Dispatch in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 23:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 15:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-16 18:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-16 22:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 14:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-17 14:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-17 19:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Optimization and inline assembly (was Re: Effect of CPP tags) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-17 07:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 18:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 19:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-12 09:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 09:41 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-14 09:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-11 13:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-11 13:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-11 14:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 12:27 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:04 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:24 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 16:43 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:36 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-09 20:05 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:54 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 01:32 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:45 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 19:33 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:48 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 15:49 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 22:12 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 11:23 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-10 19:23 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 20:46 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-10 08:21 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 19:20 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-09 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 13:12 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 21:37 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2024-01-09 21:51 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-09 16:42 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 12:04 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 18:12 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 12:11 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 21:51 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-09 01:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-08 22:28 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-09 07:38 +0000
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-07 02:12 +0100
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 01:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 01:47 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 02:16 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 17:15 -0800
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 02:25 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-06 19:28 -0800
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 15:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-07 15:51 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 01:32 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-07 20:35 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 13:28 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 10:25 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 18:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 19:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 11:22 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 11:21 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 16:00 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-08 18:02 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 10:39 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 21:36 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 10:32 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-08 21:41 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2024-01-08 08:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 09:59 -0800
                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 12:53 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 14:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-06 15:28 +0100
                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-01-06 09:56 -0500
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-06 15:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-06 23:58 +0000
                                                                          Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-06 23:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 00:21 +0000
                                                                              Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 00:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 01:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 02:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 12:14 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-07 19:29 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Bart <bc@freeuk.cm> - 2024-01-07 22:41 +0000
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                              Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-01 15:54 -0800
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                      Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 20:06 -0800
                        Re: Effect of CPP tags Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-01 04:48 +0000
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            Re: Effect of CPP tags Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-21 12:36 -0800
      Re: Effect of CPP tags Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-01 05:56 +0100
        Re: Effect of CPP tags "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-31 22:59 -0800
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#380504

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2024-01-19 18:43 +0000
Message-ID<0pzqN.60177$zqTf.45653@fx35.iad>
In reply to#380500
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>On 19/01/2024 17:12, David Brown wrote:
>> On 19/01/2024 16:03, bart wrote:
>>> On 19/01/2024 14:42, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 19/01/2024 14:18, bart wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is also incomprehensible how someone can rant endlessly about 
>>>> "simplification" and "easy of use" when their claimed solution is to 
>>>> make non-standard limited duplications of the functionality already 
>>>> found on other machines.
>>>
>>> The programs I write ARE easy to build, using ONLY a compiler.
>>>
>>> You don't want to accept that, you'd rather it involved those 
>>> mountains of stuff.
>> 
>> /Please/ stop making stupid, exaggerated and incorrect claims about what 
>> other people want or think.
>> 
>> I don't give a *beep* how easy or hard your programs are to compile - 
>> they are utterly irrelevant to me.  I don't have reason to believe they 
>> are very relevant to anyone else either.  But even if they were useful 
>> to me, or at least of interest to me, it does not matter to me if they 
>> need a whole range of standard utilities to build - because every system 
>> I have, or ever have had, has the standard utilities.
>> 
>> Why is it so difficult for you to understand the concept of not caring? 
>> It is absurd to suggest I /want/ your programs to need "make" or other 
>> utilities to compile - I *do* *not* *care* if it needs them or not. 
>> There is no advantage or disadvantage to me if it uses make, sed, awk, 
>> bash, date.  There is no advantage or disadvantage to me if it does not 
>> need them either.  It is irrelevant.
>> 
>> It /would/ be an inconvenience to me if it required some obscure and 
>> rarely used compiler like your own tools.  TCC is also pretty obscure, 
>> but Debian has it in it's repositories.  Needing an invasive tool that 
>> screws up your system, like MSVC, would also be a pain, as would 
>> anything that required very specific versions of tools.  But that would 
>> only matter if your programs were of interest.
>> 
>> And of course I accept that /you/ think it is important that you don't 
>> use tools that everyone else finds convenient and useful.  I don't 
>> understand your reasons for that
>
>Because they don't work. Things like makefiles, even designed to work on 
>Windows, had a 50% failure rate.

Another number pulled out from your backside.

But then you're just trolling.

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#380505

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-19 19:48 +0100
Message-ID<uoeg58$38n06$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380500
On 19/01/2024 19:28, bart wrote:
> On 19/01/2024 17:12, David Brown wrote:

>> And of course I accept that /you/ think it is important that you don't 
>> use tools that everyone else finds convenient and useful.  I don't 
>> understand your reasons for that
> 
> Because they don't work. Things like makefiles, even designed to work on 
> Windows, had a 50% failure rate.

And you have statistics to back that up?  Other than personal anecdotes, 
of course.  (And before you get carried away, stack overflow questions 
might show a non-zero failure rate, but not a 50% rate.)

Claims made without evidence or reason can be dismissed without evidence 
or reason.  /You/ have trouble building software - we know that, and no 
one's arguing against that.

> 
> Apparently it is inconceivable to you to have an application written in 
> C say, that can be compiled either on Linux or Windows using only a C 
> compiler.

I'll give you /one/ last chance to stop imaging what you think I am 
saying and fighting against your ridiculous straw-man arguments. 
Whenever you find yourself writing "You seem to think...", "You 
want...", "You prefer...", stop and delete the paragraph.  You are wrong 
every single time.

> 
> But I will leave this alone now.
> 

OK.

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#380484

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-01-19 17:32 +0100
Message-ID<uoe86f$37cnd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380471
On 19.01.2024 15:42, David Brown wrote:
> On 19/01/2024 14:18, bart wrote:
>> On 19/01/2024 11:41, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 19/01/2024 12:17, bart wrote:
>>
>>> It doesn't matter what anyone says, you will always twist things to
>>> fit your preconceived ideas that everything Linux-related is terrible
>>> in every way,
>>
>> That's funny. I find that Linux people always have terrible things to
>> say about software development using Windows, usually totally
>> unjustified.
> 
> And feel free to ignore these if you have good reason to believe they
> are not fact based.  Don't feel free to exaggerate what people say (I
> say Linux is better for most development and programming work, other
> than when targeting Windows itself - but you /can/ use Windows for many
> tasks, and I do use Windows as well as Linux).  [...]

There was a time when I dual booted (pre-installed) WinDOS and
Linux. At some point I got aware that it makes no sense, Windows
was - besides its inherent issues - also completely unnecessary
(as could be seen soon); further installs were Linux-only.

It's a phenomenon that the marketing division of MS did so great
a job to mentally bind such a huge community. (There were other
reasons as well (driver support of companies, pre-installed OS
on hardware, gaming focus, or self-enforcing dissemination
feedback processes), but discussion would lead too far here.)

I've often observed uninformed WinDozers just spread uninformed
nonsense. But never in such extreme stubbornness as in this thread.

> [...]
>> [...]

> I can fully understand how someone who is only familiar with Windows
> (and DOS before it) doesn't know about these utilities or where to get
> them, and finds them strange at first.  [...]

This is part of the phenomenon.

And as we see nothing helps if folks grew up and didn't leave
that bubble, didn't even dare to have a look outside and try
to grasp what's going on. Yet continuing uninformed rants about
something they never experienced nor understood to a minimum
extent.

We have to accept though that the condition where someone is
making specialized niche-software for a specific platform is
also not fostering susceptive open-mindedness when confronted
with the huge professional IT world.

But I have hope; after issues with Windows I installed Linux
even for my (very old) father, and he has no problems with it
(using browser, email, and a text processor). And my children
installed Linux by themselves, anyway, and they're programming
their academic research tasks on that platform. - No lengthy
stupid discussions as in this thread.

Janis

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#380496

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-01-19 17:05 +0000
Message-ID<uoea3s$37jun$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380484
On 19/01/2024 16:32, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 19.01.2024 15:42, David Brown wrote:
>> On 19/01/2024 14:18, bart wrote:
>>> On 19/01/2024 11:41, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 19/01/2024 12:17, bart wrote:
>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter what anyone says, you will always twist things to
>>>> fit your preconceived ideas that everything Linux-related is terrible
>>>> in every way,
>>>
>>> That's funny. I find that Linux people always have terrible things to
>>> say about software development using Windows, usually totally
>>> unjustified.
>>
>> And feel free to ignore these if you have good reason to believe they
>> are not fact based.  Don't feel free to exaggerate what people say (I
>> say Linux is better for most development and programming work, other
>> than when targeting Windows itself - but you /can/ use Windows for many
>> tasks, and I do use Windows as well as Linux).  [...]
> 
> There was a time when I dual booted (pre-installed) WinDOS and
> Linux. At some point I got aware that it makes no sense, Windows
> was - besides its inherent issues - also completely unnecessary
> (as could be seen soon); further installs were Linux-only.
> 
> It's a phenomenon that the marketing division of MS did so great
> a job to mentally bind such a huge community. (There were other
> reasons as well (driver support of companies, pre-installed OS
> on hardware, gaming focus, or self-enforcing dissemination
> feedback processes), but discussion would lead too far here.)
> 
> I've often observed uninformed WinDozers just spread uninformed
> nonsense. But never in such extreme stubbornness as in this thread.
> 
>> [...]
>>> [...]
> 
>> I can fully understand how someone who is only familiar with Windows
>> (and DOS before it) doesn't know about these utilities or where to get
>> them, and finds them strange at first.  [...]
> 
> This is part of the phenomenon.
> 
> And as we see nothing helps if folks grew up and didn't leave
> that bubble, didn't even dare to have a look outside and try
> to grasp what's going on. Yet continuing uninformed rants about
> something they never experienced nor understood to a minimum
> extent.

It's not me who's in the bubble. How about that giant bubble called 'Linux'?

People who complain about Windows will moan about something that is 
missing because Linux has it and Windows doesn't.

My complaints about Linux are not about something missing from Linux 
that is in Windows. See the difference?


> We have to accept though that the condition where someone is
> making specialized niche-software for a specific platform is
> also not fostering susceptive open-mindedness when confronted
> with the huge professional IT world.
> 
> But I have hope; after issues with Windows

What kinds of issues? Many millions of ordinary people have used 
Windows. Not many ordinary people use raw Linux.




> I installed Linux
> even for my (very old) father, and he has no problems with it
> (using browser, email, and a text processor). And my children
> installed Linux by themselves, anyway, and they're programming
> their academic research tasks on that platform. - No lengthy
> stupid discussions as in this thread.

Well, be oblivious to all the issues then. Clearly that giant mountain 
of stuff works for you and it works for your kids.

I however can see when someone is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

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#380506

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-19 19:50 +0100
Message-ID<uoeg9i$38n06$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380496
On 19/01/2024 18:05, bart wrote:
> On 19/01/2024 16:32, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

>>
>> And as we see nothing helps if folks grew up and didn't leave
>> that bubble, didn't even dare to have a look outside and try
>> to grasp what's going on. Yet continuing uninformed rants about
>> something they never experienced nor understood to a minimum
>> extent.
> 
> It's not me who's in the bubble. How about that giant bubble called 
> 'Linux'?

I suppose from inside your bubble, it looks like you are the only 
sensible person and everyone else is in the bubble.  Everyone is 
marching out of step, except you.

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#380524

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-19 14:18 -0800
Message-ID<uoesg8$3amth$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380484
On 1/19/2024 8:32 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 19.01.2024 15:42, David Brown wrote:
>> On 19/01/2024 14:18, bart wrote:
>>> On 19/01/2024 11:41, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 19/01/2024 12:17, bart wrote:
[...]
> But I have hope; after issues with Windows I installed Linux
> even for my (very old) father, and he has no problems with it
> (using browser, email, and a text processor). 


> And my children
> installed Linux by themselves, anyway, and they're programming
> their academic research tasks on that platform. - No lengthy
> stupid discussions as in this thread.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well done Janis! :^)

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#380522

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-19 14:14 -0800
Message-ID<uoes7k$3amth$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380464
On 1/19/2024 3:41 AM, David Brown wrote:
> On 19/01/2024 12:17, bart wrote:
>> On 19/01/2024 10:07, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 18/01/2024 21:21, bart wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, if I wanted to supply a program to any Linux user, I can't 
>>>> just supply a binary, since every Linux is a bit different and they 
>>>> run on more different kinds of processor.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As so often, "AFAIK" for you is not very far.
>>>
>>> For almost all Linux users, for almost all their programs, they 
>>> download and install binaries - they don't compile from source. 
>>> Compiling from source as a common method of distributing programs 
>>> fell out of fashion some 20 or 30 years ago.
>>
>> That's good news. So I can build an ELF binary on my WSL today, I can 
>> email it to you and you can run it on the nearest Linux machine?
> 
> I know little about WSL - I have never used it, and don't have a current 
> Windows system.  But if it is a Linux virtual system, and your elf file 
> doesn't rely on uncommon shared libraries and doesn't have low-level 
> interaction with the system (i.e., you'd call it an "application" rather 
> than a "system utility"), the probably yes, it would work.  Copy it to a 
> USB stick, boot Linux, and try it yourself.
> 
>>
>> I assume it will only work if that machine happens to be x64 (as 
>> that's what mine is)?
> 
> Obviously.
> 
>>
>> Or will it not work even then?
>>
>> What are the rules? Do I have to make a version for every variant of 
>> Linux and make it available in the 'apt-get' repository?
> 
> If you want rules, find a suitable place to look for them or discuss 
> them.  I have no interest in talking more about this here, and I think 
> I've already said more than most in this group are willing to do.  It 
> doesn't matter what anyone says, you will always twist things to fit 
> your preconceived ideas that everything Linux-related is terrible in 
> every way, and that somehow you think it all proves that your own tools 
> are brilliant and the rest of the world is wrong.
> 
> So try google.
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>> For developers or companies who don't want to distribute source, or 
>>> who want to provide the users the convenience of binaries but it's 
>>> not appropriate to include the programs in distros, it is normal to 
>>> provide only one or two binaries - an x86-64 binary, and sometimes 
>>> also an AArch64 binary if that is a likely target.
>>>
>>> It can be more complicated if the software has to integrate tightly 
>>> with different aspects of the system, but that's usually not an issue 
>>> for most software.
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is where MS Windows reigned supreme.
>>>
>>> You mean it is so much more limited?
>>
>> In being able to run EXEs created by anyone on any machine, and being 
>> able to run them on any Windows computer, even years later.
> 
> I run Linux programs on all sorts of machines without recompiling, years 
> later.  Of course the processor family must be compatible if you don't 
> want to use emulation.
> 
>>
>> (I think you can still run 32-bit EXEs compiled in the 1990s today. 
>> 16-bit EXEs can still run today on a 32-bit Windows.)
> 
> You can't get new 32-bit Windows systems now - there is no 32-bit 
> Windows 11, and manufacturers have not been able to sell new machines 
> with 32-bit Windows 10 for years.  If you have to use 16-bit Windows 
> programs on a modern computer, you can of course use Wine to run it on 
> Linux.
> 

I think one can install old windows versions using DosBox, or DosBox-x 
cannot remember right now.

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#380479

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2024-01-19 16:18 +0000
Message-ID<JhxqN.211848$Ama9.63574@fx12.iad>
In reply to#380463
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>On 19/01/2024 10:07, David Brown wrote:
>> On 18/01/2024 21:21, bart wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> AFAIK, if I wanted to supply a program to any Linux user, I can't just 
>>> supply a binary, since every Linux is a bit different and they run on 
>>> more different kinds of processor.
>>>
>> 
>> As so often, "AFAIK" for you is not very far.
>> 
>> For almost all Linux users, for almost all their programs, they download 
>> and install binaries - they don't compile from source.  Compiling from 
>> source as a common method of distributing programs fell out of fashion 
>> some 20 or 30 years ago.
>
>That's good news. So I can build an ELF binary on my WSL today, I can 
>email it to you and you can run it on the nearest Linux machine?

That's not what David said.     The major distributions offer
repositories containing all supported packages (far more than will
be installed by default), built for that specific distribution.

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#383025

Fromdave_thompson_2@comcast.net
Date2024-02-26 04:17 -0500
Message-ID<kglotidbu6cjn4tdso7r73go1hheuak365@4ax.com>
In reply to#380423
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku
<433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote:

> On 2024-01-18, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> > All I know about PowerShell is that instead of typing 'prog' to run the 
> > 'prog.exe' you've just created, you have to do '.\prog' just like you 
> > have to do './prog' in Linux.
> 
That's not true for 'prog', but is true for any name of a PS cmdlet or
alias. In that case you must use a pathname (which can be EITHER
.\name OR ./name) OR name.exe. 

CMD has some builtins which similarly make program files inaccessible
by simple name, but fewer. The ones I recall off the top of my head
are cd pushd popd dir mkdir md rmdir rd erase type set rem. And here
.\name or name.exe works but not ./name.

> I don't know anything about PowerShell. In the case of the POSIX-like
> shells, this is just a consequence of the . directory not being listed
> in the PATH variable, which is an end-user configuration matter.
> 
> If you care about the convenience of just typing "prog", more than
> about the security aspect, you can just add . to your PATH.
> 
No. In PS (_and_ in CMD) current directory aka dot is _always_ tried
even if it's not in PATH (which by default it isn't).  But cmdlets and
aliases or builtins are tried first and override any file, per above.

Unix shells similarly won't find by simple name a program in . even
when . IS in PATH if the name is a builtin or keyword like 'cd' or
'if' or 'test' (probably the most popular name to encounter this
error), or a function or alias (shells don't come with lots of aliases
predefined like PS, but many distros or users add them).

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#383045

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2024-02-26 15:56 +0000
Message-ID<Lw2DN.586146$p%Mb.87073@fx15.iad>
In reply to#383025
dave_thompson_2@comcast.net writes:
>On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku
><433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-01-18, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> > All I know about PowerShell is that instead of typing 'prog' to run the 
>> > 'prog.exe' you've just created, you have to do '.\prog' just like you 
>> > have to do './prog' in Linux.
>> 
>That's not true for 'prog', but is true for any name of a PS cmdlet or
>alias. In that case you must use a pathname (which can be EITHER
>.\name OR ./name) OR name.exe. 

Actually, on linux, one can just do 'prog', if PATH includes
an path element containing a single dot.   One generally doesn't
do this, but it is certainly possible.

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#380413

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-01-18 15:16 +0000
Message-ID<uobfc3$2ktp1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380397
On 18/01/2024 04:30, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2024-01-18, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

>> You mean via layers like WSL or MSYS2 or CYGWIN? I don't really consider
>> that running on Windows.
> 
> What is it? To the left of Windows? Behind Windows? Under Windows?
> 
> It doesn't matter which one of these prepositions it is, because in this
> situation being discussed all those programs are doing is providing an
> environment for building something.

Let's consider an OS like Android, to avoid a made-up one. (Put aside 
the likelihood that deep inside Android might be a Linux core. Think of 
the glossy-looking consumer OS that everyone knows.)

Now, somebody brings out some piece of software that only builds under 
Android.

To build it under Linux, requires installing a vast virtual Android OS 
to do that.

Would you consider that being able to build 'under Linux'?

(Let's not go into whether the resulting binary can run outside of Android.)

For that matter (this might have been a better example), would you 
consider a project that builds using a massive Visual Studio 
installation to compiler 'under Linux' if you could somehow run run VS 
within Linux?

Could you, in good faith, provide sources to that project and say it 
builds 'under Linux, no problem'. Never mind the considerable 
dependencies they would need and the significant likelihood of failure.

Remember also that on Windows you want to end up with EXEs and DLLs that 
run under actual Windows. Not ELF and SO files.


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#380429

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-18 21:47 +0100
Message-ID<uoc2od$2ob6b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380413
On 18/01/2024 16:16, bart wrote:
> On 18/01/2024 04:30, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2024-01-18, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> 
>>> You mean via layers like WSL or MSYS2 or CYGWIN? I don't really consider
>>> that running on Windows.
>>
>> What is it? To the left of Windows? Behind Windows? Under Windows?
>>
>> It doesn't matter which one of these prepositions it is, because in this
>> situation being discussed all those programs are doing is providing an
>> environment for building something.
> 
> Let's consider an OS like Android, to avoid a made-up one. (Put aside 
> the likelihood that deep inside Android might be a Linux core. Think of 
> the glossy-looking consumer OS that everyone knows.)

(It is not a "likelihood" - it is a fact.  Android is Linux with a 
particular set of libraries, gui and apps.)

> 
> Now, somebody brings out some piece of software that only builds under 
> Android.
> 
OK.

> To build it under Linux, requires installing a vast virtual Android OS 
> to do that.
> 
> Would you consider that being able to build 'under Linux'?
> 

That's a rather speculative and hypothetical idea that is very different 
from using mingw-64 to configure and compile software on Windows.  After 
all, with mingw-64 / msys2, the resulting binary runs on Windows, not 
Linux.  I use mingw-64 compiled binaries on Windows all the time, and 
they don't need even anything installed on the target system (except 
sometimes a few dll's, just like any Windows program).  You do need some 
supporting basic programs in order to /build/ mingw-64 binaries - at 
least gcc, make, and perhaps some utilities like bash and sed.  (Or you 
can install a mingw-64 target compiler on Linux and cross-compile - 
building the Windows binaries under Linux.)  But yes, these are all 
programs build for Windows and running under Windows.  They are not hard 
to install or harder to run compared to running them on anything else.

WSL is more of a virtual machine, but it is well integrated into Windows.

My daily work is building software with cross-compilers.  Sometimes I 
build "under Linux", using Linux elf binaries like "make" and 
"arm-none-eabi-gcc".  Sometimes I build "under Windows", using Windows 
exe files like "make.exe" and "arm-none-eabi-gcc.exe".  In each case, 
there is a large tree full of toolchain programs, headers, target 
library files, etc., to support it - far bigger than my "msys2" 
installation (which is not needed for these builds).  I consider it 
"building under Linux" or "building under Windows", because I am running 
those OS's and running programs for those OS's.

> (Let's not go into whether the resulting binary can run outside of 
> Android.)
> 
> For that matter (this might have been a better example), would you 
> consider a project that builds using a massive Visual Studio 
> installation to compiler 'under Linux' if you could somehow run run VS 
> within Linux?
> 

Yes.

> Could you, in good faith, provide sources to that project and say it 
> builds 'under Linux, no problem'. Never mind the considerable 
> dependencies they would need and the significant likelihood of failure.
> 

Dependencies are part of life with computers.  A Windows installation 
without additional software gives you Minesweeper and Wordpad.  How can 
you possibly justify thinking that installing msys2 and mingw-64 for a 
compilation means you are "not building under Windows" while installing 
MSVC means you /are/ "building under Windows"?  The MSVC installation is 
10 times the size of mingw-64.

You are drawing completely arbitrary lines without any justification.

> Remember also that on Windows you want to end up with EXEs and DLLs that 
> run under actual Windows. Not ELF and SO files.
> 
> 
> 

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#380445

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-01-18 23:46 +0000
Message-ID<uocd9i$2q14a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380429
On 18/01/2024 20:47, David Brown wrote:
> On 18/01/2024 16:16, bart wrote:

>> Could you, in good faith, provide sources to that project and say it 
>> builds 'under Linux, no problem'. Never mind the considerable 
>> dependencies they would need and the significant likelihood of failure.
>>
> 
> Dependencies are part of life with computers.  A Windows installation 
> without additional software gives you Minesweeper and Wordpad.  How can 
> you possibly justify thinking that installing msys2 and mingw-64 for a 
> compilation means you are "not building under Windows" while installing 
> MSVC means you /are/ "building under Windows"?  The MSVC installation is 
> 10 times the size of mingw-64.

Actually I don't consider an MSVC dependency much better that MSYS2 and 
WSL. At least WSL works; I haven't had a working MSVC for years.

MSVC/VS/etc is a vast, corporate monstrosity, as is most of Windows 
these days.

But you can still do things on a small scale and informally as I do 
within a small corner of Windows.

My last analogy didn't work very well, I'll try another one. Suppose you 
wanted a product but it only comes in kit form that you have to build 
yourself.

It promises it only needs a hammer and a screwdriver. But it turns out 
there is one extra thing you need: a massive great factory next door 
that contains all the specialist equipment, processes and manpower 
needed to complete that job.

Apart from that, then sure: you can assemble this 'at home'.

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#380443

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2024-01-18 23:29 +0000
Message-ID<20240118151252.879@kylheku.com>
In reply to#380413
On 2024-01-18, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 18/01/2024 04:30, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2024-01-18, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>>> You mean via layers like WSL or MSYS2 or CYGWIN? I don't really consider
>>> that running on Windows.
>> 
>> What is it? To the left of Windows? Behind Windows? Under Windows?
>> 
>> It doesn't matter which one of these prepositions it is, because in this
>> situation being discussed all those programs are doing is providing an
>> environment for building something.
>
> Let's consider an OS like Android, to avoid a made-up one. (Put aside 
> the likelihood that deep inside Android might be a Linux core. Think of 
> the glossy-looking consumer OS that everyone knows.)

Android is a Linux-based OS. It has a C library called Bionic.

There is an environment you can install on Android called Termux.

In Termux you get a shell with utilities and numerous common packages.
git, ssh, you name it.  You can compile programs like on other Unix-likes.

I ported TXR to Android with Termux in literally minutes, originally.

When Android rolled out pointer tagging, I had to do a few things to
make it work, because it clashes with the NaN-boxing technique used
for representing values. We turn on a build option
CONFIG_NAN_BOXING_STRIP_TAG invented for that, which will strip
the pointer tags from the heaps allocated from malloc, and put
them back when calling free. In between that, we refer to the objects
via tag-free pointers.

In the test suite, a few things have to be done differently on Android.
It is detected like this;

  (if (ignerr (dlsym (dlopen "libandroid.so") "AAsset_close"))
    :android
    ( ... else detect other platforms ...))

I.e. if we are able to successfully open a library called
"libandroid.so" and resolve the symbol "AAsset_close", then
we conclude we are running on Android. I probably could have
relied on some clues from the kernel.

In other ways, it's just another Linux.

> Now, somebody brings out some piece of software that only builds under 
> Android.
>
> To build it under Linux, requires installing a vast virtual Android OS 
> to do that.

There is application software for Android that cannot run on any
other platform. People run this via emulators.

> Would you consider that being able to build 'under Linux'?

Tentatively, yes, if:

- you can prepare the files that need to be built just by
  storing them in the host Linux filesystem.

- you can dispatch the build process from Linux, from a script.
  (No manual fiddling with the GUI of some emulator, and no
  remote logins to an emulator to run anything).

- you can collect the deliverables in the host filesystem.

such that this whole thing can be automated on a Linux build server,
that runs without any manual steps, and which doesn't have to use
networking to connect to any emulated machine to copy anything
in or out.


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#380433

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-18 13:23 -0800
Message-ID<uoc4t7$2ogor$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380390
On 1/17/2024 4:47 PM, bart wrote:
> On 18/01/2024 00:25, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2024-01-17, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On 17/01/2024 22:18, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>> On 17/01/2024 18:47, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-01-17, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> A good many scripting languages require a shell in order to build,
>>>>>> such as for runing a ./configure script.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funnily enough, mine don't.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you find it humorous.   A posix shell comes with pretty
>>>> much every system used for software development (even windows
>>>> has WSL for serious software development).
>>>
>>> I suspect it's more that it's been browbeaten into having such a system
>>> because so many developers were deliberately, inadvertently or
>>> spitefully building in so many dependencies from the Unix world into
>>> their software and their procedures.
>>
>> You can get shell scripts running on Windows.
> 
> You mean via layers like WSL or MSYS2 or CYGWIN? I don't really consider 
> that running on Windows.
[...]

Shit happens! ;^o

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#380551

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-01-21 00:40 +0000
Message-ID<uohp52$3sq26$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380358
On 17/01/2024 18:47, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2024-01-17, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> The only reason to use the shell for larger coding tasks that go
> beyonod process control is that is that it's the only language you can
> rely on being installed.

If we're going to be dealing with C sources, then I guess we can assume 
a C compiler is going to be available, otherwise we might as well pack 
up and go home.

So everthing needed could be done in C code with a C compiler being the 
only dependency. If done nicely, the user gets one single C file to 
compile and run, which will build and install the main app as needed.

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#380084

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-12 12:42 -0800
Message-ID<uns87p$3jd98$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380064
On 1/12/2024 8:12 AM, bart wrote:
> On 12/01/2024 13:40, David Brown wrote:
>> On 12/01/2024 00:20, bart wrote:
> 
>>> Why, what hairy stuff are you doing that requires a language as 
>>> complex as 'make' and a shell environment as capable as 'bash'? It 
>>> sounds more like, you just use the capability because it's there. And 
>>> then complain when Windows doesn't have that.
>>>
>>
>> People use good tools when good tools are available - they don't go 
>> out of their way to use something inferior.  Why is that a surprise?  
>> If you want to cut an orange, do you go out to the garage and find a 
>> rusty old knife that is nonetheless useable for cutting a bit of fruit 
>> - or do you use the shiny new titanium kitchen knife that is right in 
>> front of you?
>>
>> I used "make" on DOS and Windows for about 15 years before I started 
>> using Linux as a development system (rather than just for servers and 
>> for fun).  Every Windows system I have ever owned personally or used 
>> at work has had "make" - because "make" has been the standard for 
>> quality development tools since early DOS days.  The version I used 
>> first on Windows came with Turbo Pascal - Microsoft's tools came with 
>> their own slight variation of make called "nmake".
>>
>> If your build uses only a couple of commands, make doesn't add much 
>> compared to a script - but it doesn't cost much either.  And you have 
>> the convenience that a lot of editors have shortcut keys for doing a 
>> "build", so something like ctrl-B will run "make" in the current 
>> directory without needing to set up any specific tool shortcuts.  
>> That's convenient.
>>
>> And unlike a language/compiler specific build system like you have 
>> within your "mm" or "mcc" tools (if I am not mistaken), "make" will 
>> work for anything you can run by commands.  My makefiles might not 
>> just build executables from C files,
> 
> If you isolate that part of it, then it's what I either build-in to the 
> language + compiler (for M), or list in a simple text file (for C).
> 
> In either case I will have a project file using a similar list for my 
> basic IDE that I use for everyday development. But this part is not 
> needed when somebody else needs to build my project.
> 
> For a C project consisting of three files (one of Chris's), my IDE looks 
> like this:
> 
>    https://github.com/sal55/langs/blob/master/ff.png
> 
> It probably looked about the same in 1984. The project file for that is 
> this:
> 
>    run cipher c.c output -e
> 
>    module cipher.c
>    module sha2.c
>    module hmac.c
>    file sha2.h
>    file hmac.h
> 
> The 'run' lines show what happens when I type 'R' in the IDE.
> 
> This project is small enough that it can be built by a third party with 
> a one-line instruction. Otherwise it would need an @ file of a few lines 
> listing the .c files.
> 
> Because this project is tidily structured with paired .c/.h files, my 
> older BCC compiler could figure out how to build it from just the lead 
> module:
> 
>    c:\c>bcc -auto cipher
>       1 Compiling cipher.c     to cipher.asm       (Pass 1)
>    *  2 Compiling hmac.c       to hmac.asm         (Pass 2)
>    *  3 Compiling sha2.c       to sha2.asm         (Pass 2)
>    Assembling to cipher.exe
[...]

Fwiw, for some context here is the original thread where Bart helped me 
out wrt getting it to compile on many C compilers:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/c/a53VxN8cwkY/m/XKl1-0a8DAAJ

Thanks again Bart. :^)

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#380088

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2024-01-12 21:31 +0000
Message-ID<20240112132216.285@kylheku.com>
In reply to#380064
On 2024-01-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> but also build documentation (doxygen, LaTeX, 
>> pandoc, graphviz, etc.), run tests, run "clean", build release zip 
>> files, download to a target board via a debugger, and all sorts of other 
>> bits and pieces according to the needs of the project.  One makefile 
>> beats a dozen scripts.
>
> It looks like 'make' is competing with 'bash' then!

Make recipes are actually lines of shell code executed by the shell;
make does not reimplement a redundant command interpretation.(*)

You can use the SHELL variable to specify an alternative interpreter
for the make recipe lines.

---

* GNU Make contains logic for recognizing recipe lines that are
trivial commands, and eliding the use of the shell for those. So that is
to say that some simple command like "cc this.c -o this.o -c" is handled
via fork and exec directly. It must be the case that if SHELL is used
to specify an alternative interpreter, that logic is suppressed.

>>> That's exactly how I view gcc's UI. Most Linux-derived utilities are 
>>> as bad: you invoke them, and they just apparently hang. Then you 
>>> realise they're waiting for input. Would it kill somebody to get them 
>>> to display a prompt?
>> 
>> Are you sure you are not exaggerating just a /tiny/ bit?
>
> I mainly remember the times when they do hang.

DOS/Windows stuff hangs also:

C:\Users\kazk>findstr foo
... "hang" ...

Even Microsoft clued in to the idea that a text filter shouldn't
spew extraneous diagnostics by default.

> But with 'as', it just sits there. I wonder what it's waiting for; for 
> me to type in ASM code live from the terminal? (If 'as' is designed for 
> piped-in input, tdm/gcc doesn't appear to use that feature as I remember 
> it generating discrete, temporary .s files.)

gcc -pipe works in pipe mode.

The "as" command is intended for compiler use; not only is it not
an interactive assembler, it doesn't even have particularly good
diagnostics for batch use. You have to know what you're doing.

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#380094

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-12 15:04 -0800
Message-ID<unsgi9$3kc76$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380088
On 1/12/2024 1:31 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2024-01-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> but also build documentation (doxygen, LaTeX,
>>> pandoc, graphviz, etc.), run tests, run "clean", build release zip
>>> files, download to a target board via a debugger, and all sorts of other
>>> bits and pieces according to the needs of the project.  One makefile
>>> beats a dozen scripts.
>>
>> It looks like 'make' is competing with 'bash' then!
> 
> Make recipes are actually lines of shell code executed by the shell;
> make does not reimplement a redundant command interpretation.(*)
> 
> You can use the SHELL variable to specify an alternative interpreter
> for the make recipe lines.
> 
> ---
> 
> * GNU Make contains logic for recognizing recipe lines that are
> trivial commands, and eliding the use of the shell for those. So that is
> to say that some simple command like "cc this.c -o this.o -c" is handled
> via fork and exec directly. It must be the case that if SHELL is used
> to specify an alternative interpreter, that logic is suppressed.
> 
>>>> That's exactly how I view gcc's UI. Most Linux-derived utilities are
>>>> as bad: you invoke them, and they just apparently hang. Then you
>>>> realise they're waiting for input. Would it kill somebody to get them
>>>> to display a prompt?
>>>
>>> Are you sure you are not exaggerating just a /tiny/ bit?
>>
>> I mainly remember the times when they do hang.
> 
> DOS/Windows stuff hangs also:
> 
> C:\Users\kazk>findstr foo
> ... "hang" ...
> 
> Even Microsoft clued in to the idea that a text filter shouldn't
> spew extraneous diagnostics by default.
> 
>> But with 'as', it just sits there. I wonder what it's waiting for; for
>> me to type in ASM code live from the terminal? (If 'as' is designed for
>> piped-in input, tdm/gcc doesn't appear to use that feature as I remember
>> it generating discrete, temporary .s files.)
> 
> gcc -pipe works in pipe mode.
> 
> The "as" command is intended for compiler use; not only is it not
> an interactive assembler, it doesn't even have particularly good
> diagnostics for batch use. You have to know what you're doing.
> 

For my special atomic lib, I used GAS to create an object file, then 
just linked them in. all okay.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060214112345/http://appcore.home.comcast.net/appcore/src/cpu/i686/ac_i686_gcc_asm.html

MASM version... :^)

https://web.archive.org/web/20060214112539/http://appcore.home.comcast.net/appcore/src/cpu/i686/ac_i686_masm_asm.html

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#380136

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2024-01-14 12:18 +0000
Message-ID<uo0je6$e8fv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#380088
On 12/01/2024 21:31, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2024-01-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

>> I mainly remember the times when they do hang.
> 
> DOS/Windows stuff hangs also:
> 
> C:\Users\kazk>findstr foo
> ... "hang" ...
> 
> Even Microsoft clued in to the idea that a text filter shouldn't
> spew extraneous diagnostics by default.

If you type 'findstr' with no arguments, it reports an error. Maybe 
'sort' was a better example to make your point.

>> But with 'as', it just sits there. I wonder what it's waiting for; for
>> me to type in ASM code live from the terminal? (If 'as' is designed for
>> piped-in input, tdm/gcc doesn't appear to use that feature as I remember
>> it generating discrete, temporary .s files.)
> 
> gcc -pipe works in pipe mode.
> 
> The "as" command is intended for compiler use; not only is it not
> an interactive assembler, it doesn't even have particularly good
> diagnostics for batch use. You have to know what you're doing.

You're sort of making excuses for it. My 'aa' assembler was also 
designed mainly for machine-generated code, so it has very few frills.

The syntax however is decent enough that I can use it for my inline 
assembler too.

The way it works is also conventional: it takes .asm files as input and 
produces a file as output. It doesn't call every output 'a.out'!

But that CLI is part of the lead module.

By leaving that out, the remaining modules can statically compiled 
(embedded) into another application. That can invoke the assembler via 
this function:

export func assembler(
     ichar      outputfile,
     ref[]ichar asmfiles, dllfiles,
     int        nasmfiles, ndllfiles, fobj, fdll, fcaption,
     ref[]ichar assemsources = nil,
     ichar      entrypointname)int =

which takes 10 arguments. I'd sort of wondered how some of that info is 
imparted to 'as' when the only input is a single string.

(This manages N asm inputs and L libraries. Sources can come from files, 
or from in-memory strings, to avoid having to write out ASM files. 
Output will be a single EXE, DLL or OBJ file.)

aa.exe is about 0.1MB; as.exe is 1.5MB.

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