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How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

Started byLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2024-02-09 00:39 +0000
Last post2024-02-16 04:11 +0100
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  How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 00:39 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 00:53 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 02:10 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-10 07:31 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 01:13 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 09:27 +0100
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 10:16 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-09 10:36 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 13:17 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-09 14:08 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 22:41 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 23:54 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 13:03 +0000
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 10:46 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 14:43 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 22:43 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 14:42 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:54 +0100
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 16:35 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:09 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 17:22 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:34 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 18:02 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 19:46 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 21:48 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:09 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:23 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:37 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-11 12:46 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 17:38 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 09:49 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 18:04 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 10:28 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 18:52 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 20:20 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 13:11 -0800
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? fir <fir@grunge.pl> - 2024-02-09 23:11 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 22:14 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2024-02-26 04:22 -0500
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-27 12:40 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-27 13:21 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-29 21:29 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 02:37 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-10 03:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 15:02 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:46 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 20:16 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 20:17 -0800
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 16:53 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:49 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:36 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:55 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 13:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 16:58 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:45 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:49 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-11 00:11 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:50 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 00:15 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:45 +0100
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 00:17 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-11 01:08 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 01:18 +0000
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 17:34 -0800
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 01:42 +0000
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 18:00 -0800
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-11 05:30 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 21:37 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:16 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:12 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:34 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:26 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-12 11:38 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 14:36 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-12 13:57 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 16:04 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 08:20 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 08:13 -0800
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 17:43 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 03:47 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 20:12 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:23 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:44 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:38 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:43 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-15 15:55 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:27 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 10:06 +0100
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:55 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 18:05 +0100
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 18:00 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:40 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 20:27 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 09:07 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 09:35 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 11:36 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 12:12 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 14:15 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 12:32 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-13 13:56 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 15:10 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 15:20 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:30 +0100
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:35 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 18:58 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:27 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 19:54 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 21:08 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 21:15 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-13 22:50 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:45 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:22 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:43 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 12:58 -0800
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 22:56 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 15:30 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 02:48 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 09:35 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 09:34 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 11:11 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 10:43 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 13:32 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:23 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 17:27 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:37 +0100
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:46 +0000
                                                          Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 11:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 14:14 +0200
                                                              Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:46 +0000
                                                              Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 14:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 16:03 +0000
                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 17:04 +0000
                                                                    Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 17:58 +0000
                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 19:35 +0000
                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-14 21:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:47 +0000
                                                                              Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 01:07 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 03:08 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 11:44 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 16:40 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 18:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 00:29 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:56 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 10:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:05 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:41 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: Building Code Again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 15:36 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Building Code Again David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 22:16 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Building Code Again bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 21:29 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 00:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 04:42 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Building Code Again Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 05:53 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 09:54 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:48 +0000
                                                                Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:51 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again (was: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 13:40 +0100
                                                              Re: Building Code Again Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:13 +0000
                                                            Re: Building Code Again Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 21:48 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:58 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:47 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:57 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-15 17:29 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 22:18 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:14 +0100
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 19:53 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:17 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:42 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:00 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 14:19 -0800
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:51 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:21 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:54 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:37 -0800
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:20 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-15 13:47 +0000
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                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 20:45 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:16 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:39 +0100
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:40 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:46 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 16:06 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 18:12 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-18 22:34 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:06 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-19 00:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 02:26 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 08:58 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 14:21 +0000
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                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 05:45 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:00 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 08:41 +0100
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:27 -0500
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:38 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 23:56 -0500
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:10 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 18:26 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:30 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:54 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 18:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-20 19:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 19:35 +0000
                                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-20 19:39 +0000
                                                                                                Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:43 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:40 +0000
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                                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 11:25 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:51 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:24 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-22 01:37 +0100
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-20 18:47 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:14 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 11:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 15:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:16 +0100
                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 22:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 16:28 +0100
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:09 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 08:04 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 17:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-19 19:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 00:05 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:32 -0500
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 17:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 12:37 -0500
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 19:29 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:10 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 00:34 -0500
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 06:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:19 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 18:19 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 17:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 09:46 -0800
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 19:39 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 18:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 11:01 -0800
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-20 20:09 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:03 +0000
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-21 00:33 +0000
                                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 00:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-21 01:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 06:21 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 09:14 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:06 +0100
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 11:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 13:03 +0100
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-21 01:35 -0800
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 02:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-20 11:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 13:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 17:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-21 09:27 +0100
                                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 11:08 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:43 -0800
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:43 -0800
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:11 -0800
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:13 -0800
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2024-02-21 01:29 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 02:12 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:00 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 23:41 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:42 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 02:14 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:17 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:33 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 16:18 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 17:55 +0100
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:34 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:46 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 17:22 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 07:48 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-18 09:34 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-18 11:30 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 12:00 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-18 12:39 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:19 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:59 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:48 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 16:41 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:16 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 08:54 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:08 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 15:23 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 17:13 -0800
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:04 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 13:10 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 16:01 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 15:54 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-17 22:08 +0200
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-17 20:13 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-17 22:33 +0200
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:52 +0100
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-17 17:35 -0500
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 23:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:34 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 15:59 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:23 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 23:53 +0100
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:38 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 02:20 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-19 15:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 04:34 +0100
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:18 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-19 00:39 -0500
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-20 03:18 -0500
                                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 10:11 +0000
                                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 23:16 +0000
                                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-20 23:22 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 12:20 -0800
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 21:24 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-16 21:39 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:08 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 16:52 -0800
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-17 01:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-17 10:08 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-18 04:32 -0800
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 14:02 -0800
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:30 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-17 05:07 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:09 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 13:07 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-17 16:54 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 18:46 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-02-17 19:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 16:01 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:59 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:21 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 16:47 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 17:11 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-16 08:33 -0800
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-16 17:45 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-17 15:56 -0800
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:18 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 02:29 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 08:59 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:11 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-17 12:11 +0100
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:43 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-18 16:14 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 23:39 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-19 09:50 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:45 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 10:01 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 23:10 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-16 23:44 +0000
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:42 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 11:09 +0200
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 12:09 +0000
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:54 +0100
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 17:42 +0200
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 17:56 +0000
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:01 +0100
                                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-18 21:07 +0000
                                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:01 +0100
                                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-19 10:15 +0000
                                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 10:52 +0000
                                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:34 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 22:20 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:18 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-14 20:52 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 08:00 +0100
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 09:00 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:23 +0100
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:20 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:46 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-15 06:14 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:55 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 18:11 +0200
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:36 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:55 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 01:11 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-14 02:19 +0000
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-14 03:02 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 20:10 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:14 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:13 +0100
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 00:44 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 09:46 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 13:26 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 14:36 +0200
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-14 15:29 +0100
                                          [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-15 07:54 +0100
                                            Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:34 +0100
                                              Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:49 +0100
                                                Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 09:04 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-16 16:38 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 18:25 +0100
                                                    Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 12:23 -0800
                                                      Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 22:41 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 15:29 -0800
                                                  Re: [OT] Pascal and popularity (was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?) G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-02-16 18:11 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:47 +0000
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:15 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:48 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-15 15:16 +0000
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:12 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:03 +0100
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-16 09:49 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-16 15:35 +0200
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-17 18:54 +0100
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:52 +0100
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 13:15 -0800
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-12 12:49 +0100
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 14:51 -0800
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 15:33 -0800
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:09 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-10 21:48 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-10 22:47 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-11 13:57 +0100
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:14 +0000
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:14 +0100
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 17:34 +0100
                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-14 01:21 +0100
                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:59 -0800
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-14 12:02 +0200
                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:54 +0000
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 08:03 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-14 20:31 +0000
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 21:53 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 14:47 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:42 +0000
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-15 14:40 +0100
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:04 -0800
                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:11 -0800
                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 22:31 -0800
                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-17 16:10 -0800
                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 16:45 -0800
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 02:35 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 18:07 -0800
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 06:45 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-18 12:37 -0500
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:30 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 06:46 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 06:12 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:38 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 10:57 +0000
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 02:28 +0000
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-18 11:02 +0200
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:36 +0100
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 11:01 +0000
                                          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-18 15:31 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 17:43 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:10 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:06 +0100
                                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-18 22:09 +0000
                                              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 05:14 +0100
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-19 05:13 +0000
                                                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 07:54 +0000
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 17:48 +0100
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 08:58 -0800
                                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:14 +0100
                                                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-20 01:31 +0000
                                                    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-20 09:26 +0100
                                      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-19 17:58 -0800
                                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 19:17 -0800
                            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 22:07 -0800
                        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-14 15:50 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 15:58 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 16:52 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 18:23 +0200
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 17:06 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:41 +0200
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:31 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-13 18:34 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 18:40 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:20 -0800
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-15 08:38 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:14 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 15:43 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-09 16:57 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:29 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:22 +0200
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-13 17:30 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 17:33 +0000
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 19:49 +0200
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-13 18:01 +0000
                  Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-13 20:19 +0200
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-13 19:02 +0100
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 13:25 -0800
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-14 21:54 -0800
              Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 22:17 -0800
                Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-15 06:07 -0800
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-09 19:47 +0000
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 21:31 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-10 08:05 +0000
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-10 17:06 +0100
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:39 +0100
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-11 17:21 +0000
    Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:12 -0300
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:15 -0300
      Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-12 01:13 +0000
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 19:09 -0800
        Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-13 17:52 +0100
          Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-16 01:09 +0000
            Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:11 +0100

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#382801 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 05:45 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur1e9d$2bqel$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382772
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
> earth ...

Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence 
that the Earth is round?

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#382804 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-20 09:00 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur1m77$2d9lc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382801
On 20/02/2024 06:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> 
>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>> earth ...
> 
> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence
> that the Earth is round?

No, you'd still have a horizon if you were standing on an infinite plane 
(or a round disc of large but finite size, or many other shapes).  The 
fact that things get lower over the horizon is proof of a round earth 
(or at least a cylindrical one).  But in ancient times that was 
difficult to see - ships were small and rarely ventured out of sight of 
the coast, so the effect was hard to distinguish from the movement of 
the waves, and could just be "things get harder to see at a distance".

As Janis said, some of the Greek philosophers realised that the curved 
shadow crossing the moon on a lunar eclipse was the earth's shadow, and 
that is far more solid evidence of a round earth.

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#382858 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 22:37 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur39jb$2nf9c$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382804
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:00:39 +0100, David Brown wrote:

> No, you'd still have a horizon if you were standing on an infinite plane

On an infinite plane, objects moving away from you on the plane would 
never disappear over any horizon.

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#382876 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-21 08:41 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur49fi$30fpu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382858
On 20/02/2024 23:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 09:00:39 +0100, David Brown wrote:
> 
>> No, you'd still have a horizon if you were standing on an infinite plane
> 
> On an infinite plane, objects moving away from you on the plane would
> never disappear over any horizon.

Correct, but you would still see the line of the horizon between the 
"land" and the "sky".  So it would look the same, but it would not act 
the same as objects moved into the distance.

So I guess in your previous post you meant that the existence of a 
horizon that things disappear over is proof of a round Earth?  (Snipping 
posts is helpful - snipping too much context is not.)

If the air were perfectly clear, and people's long-distance eyesight 
were perfect, then what you say would be true.  But objects "disappear" 
with distance even if they don't go over the horizon - it is very 
difficult with the naked eye to realise there is a fundamental 
difference between a ship disappearing over the horizon, and a bird 
flying off out of sight.  It was not until people starting building 
things like the lighthouse at Alexandria that you could really be sure 
of the effect of disappearing over the horizon.

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#382808 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2024-02-20 03:27 -0500
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur1npp$2da8e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382801
On 2/20/24 00:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> 
>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>> earth ...
> 
> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence 
> that the Earth is round?

No, you would still have a horizon if the Earth were an seriously oblate
spheroid, such as a US football. Or even if it was a gently rounded
cube. The existence of the horizon only tells you something about the
shape of the Earth within the distance to the horizon, and tells you
little about the shape of the part beyond the horizon.
The key insight was that lunar eclipses were created by the shadow of
the Earth hitting the Moon's surface. The key geometrical argument is
that a sphere is the only shape that would always cast a shadow with a
circular edge, regardless of the orientation of the Earth. Of course,
they had observations from only a relatively small number of different
orientations, all restricted by the Moon's orbital plane, but it seemed
a safe assumption to the Greeks, given their obsession with "perfect"
shapes.

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#382859 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 22:38 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur39li$2nf9c$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382808
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 03:27:37 -0500, James Kuyper wrote:

> On 2/20/24 00:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> 
>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>>> earth ...
>> 
>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient
>> evidence that the Earth is round?
> 
> No, you would still have a horizon if the Earth were an seriously oblate
> spheroid, such as a US football.

All of which come under the definition of “round”, I would have thought.

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#382870 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2024-02-20 23:56 -0500
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur3vps$2uvs1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382859
On 2/20/24 17:38, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 03:27:37 -0500, James Kuyper wrote:
> 
>> On 2/20/24 00:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>
>>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>>>> earth ...
>>>
>>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient
>>> evidence that the Earth is round?
>>
>> No, you would still have a horizon if the Earth were an seriously oblate
>> spheroid, such as a US football.
> 
> All of which come under the definition of “round”, I would have thought.

Depends upon the definition. The second definition provided by
Wiktionary.org is "Spherical", with the specific example "The ancient
Egyptian demonstrated that the Earth is round, not flat.". Given the
context, that's the one I assumed you were using.

However, even if you're using the third definition "lacking sharp
angles, having gentle curves", the existence of a horizon does not prove
that. If the Earth did have sharp angles, you would still see a horizon
- wherever there was a sharp angle, there would be many locations from
which that angle was on the horizon.

Even more to the point, as I mentioned before, the horizon you can see
tells you directly only about the shape of the Earth up to the horizon.
It gives you very little information about the shape of the Earth beyond
the horizon - only that it doesn't stick up far enough to become part of
the horizon.

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#382814 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-02-20 10:09 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur1tpj$2emq1$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382801
On 20/02/2024 05:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> 
>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>> earth ...
> 
> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence
> that the Earth is round?

The horizon is curved, which boys sometimes advanced as proof that the 
Earth must indeed be round. (The geography teacher taught that). But, as 
Selby pointed out, that only holds if we assume that the light is 
travelling in straight lines.

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#382834 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromRichard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 18:10 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur2pum$2kfm3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382814
On 20/02/2024 10:09, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 20/02/2024 05:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>
>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>>> earth ...
>>
>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence
>> that the Earth is round?
> 
> The horizon is curved, which boys sometimes advanced as proof that the 
> Earth must indeed be round. (The geography teacher taught that). But, as 
> Selby pointed out, that only holds if we assume that the light is 
> travelling in straight lines.
> 

Why wouldn't light be travelling in a straight line?

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#382836 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromLew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca>
Date2024-02-20 18:26 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur2qtj$2k2bi$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382834
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:10:30 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:

> On 20/02/2024 10:09, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On 20/02/2024 05:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>
>>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>>>> earth ...
>>>
>>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence
>>> that the Earth is round?
>> 
>> The horizon is curved, which boys sometimes advanced as proof that the 
>> Earth must indeed be round. (The geography teacher taught that). But, as 
>> Selby pointed out, that only holds if we assume that the light is 
>> travelling in straight lines.
>> 
> 
> Why wouldn't light be travelling in a straight line?

Refraction, either by a change in medium or gravity (or some other force).
That's the stuff lenses (physical and gravitational) are made of :-)


-- 
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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#382837 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromRichard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 18:30 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur2r4v$2kfm3$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382836
On 20/02/2024 18:26, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:10:30 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:
> 
>> On 20/02/2024 10:09, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> On 20/02/2024 05:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>>>>> earth ...
>>>>
>>>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence
>>>> that the Earth is round?
>>>
>>> The horizon is curved, which boys sometimes advanced as proof that the
>>> Earth must indeed be round. (The geography teacher taught that). But, as
>>> Selby pointed out, that only holds if we assume that the light is
>>> travelling in straight lines.
>>>
>>
>> Why wouldn't light be travelling in a straight line?
> 
> Refraction, either by a change in medium or gravity (or some other force).
> That's the stuff lenses (physical and gravitational) are made of :-)
> 
> 

The Earth is not a black-hole, and the atmostphere is not that thick.

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#382840 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2024-02-20 18:54 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<20240220105203.514@kylheku.com>
In reply to#382837
On 2024-02-20, Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/02/2024 18:26, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:10:30 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:
>>> Why wouldn't light be travelling in a straight line?
>> 
>> Refraction, either by a change in medium or gravity (or some other force).
>> That's the stuff lenses (physical and gravitational) are made of :-)
>
> The Earth is not a black-hole, and the atmostphere is not that thick.

The atmopshere can make reflective pools of water appear where there are none,
rigid objects appear to flutter and steady lights to flicker.

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#382841 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromLew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca>
Date2024-02-20 18:59 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur2sqc$2k2bi$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382837
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:30:55 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:

> On 20/02/2024 18:26, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:10:30 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:
>> 
>>> On 20/02/2024 10:09, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>> On 20/02/2024 05:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>>>>>> earth ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence
>>>>> that the Earth is round?
>>>>
>>>> The horizon is curved, which boys sometimes advanced as proof that the
>>>> Earth must indeed be round. (The geography teacher taught that). But, as
>>>> Selby pointed out, that only holds if we assume that the light is
>>>> travelling in straight lines.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why wouldn't light be travelling in a straight line?
>> 
>> Refraction, either by a change in medium or gravity (or some other force).
>> That's the stuff lenses (physical and gravitational) are made of :-)
>> 
>> 
> 
> The Earth is not a black-hole, and the atmostphere is not that thick.

Neither of those negate my answer to the question "Why wouldn't light
be travelling in a straight line?"

Anyway, have you ever seen a mirage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage)?


-- 
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"In Skills We Trust"

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#382843 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromRichard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 19:27 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur2uea$2ldrs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382841
On 20/02/2024 18:59, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:30:55 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:
> 
>> On 20/02/2024 18:26, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:10:30 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/02/2024 10:09, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>> On 20/02/2024 05:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>>>>>>> earth ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence
>>>>>> that the Earth is round?
>>>>>
>>>>> The horizon is curved, which boys sometimes advanced as proof that the
>>>>> Earth must indeed be round. (The geography teacher taught that). But, as
>>>>> Selby pointed out, that only holds if we assume that the light is
>>>>> travelling in straight lines.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't light be travelling in a straight line?
>>>
>>> Refraction, either by a change in medium or gravity (or some other force).
>>> That's the stuff lenses (physical and gravitational) are made of :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The Earth is not a black-hole, and the atmostphere is not that thick.
> 
> Neither of those negate my answer to the question "Why wouldn't light
> be travelling in a straight line?"
> 
> Anyway, have you ever seen a mirage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage)?
> 
> 

On a hot road, yeah.

Wouldn't that lead to the conclusion that the earth is surrouned by 
water, though?  Not that its flat.

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#382845 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromKaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Date2024-02-20 19:35 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<20240220113016.21@kylheku.com>
In reply to#382843
On 2024-02-20, Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/02/2024 18:59, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> Anyway, have you ever seen a mirage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage)?
>> 
>> 
>
> On a hot road, yeah.
>
> Wouldn't that lead to the conclusion that the earth is surrouned by 
> water, though?  Not that its flat.

If you're a conservative, any scientific findings that create any sort
of doubt in anything are used to more deeply dig your heels into
your a belief belief such as that the Earth is flat.

In this situation, mirages are proof that light doesn't travel in
straight lines, therefore observations of a curved horizon being used to
suggest that the Earth might be round ridiculed as lunacy, even if the
curvature can be confirmed at all sorts of atmospheric conditions,
whereas mirages vary wildly.

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#382847 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromLew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca>
Date2024-02-20 19:39 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur2v5p$2k2bi$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382843
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:27:06 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:

> On 20/02/2024 18:59, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:30:55 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:
>> 
>>> On 20/02/2024 18:26, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:10:30 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/02/2024 10:09, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>>> On 20/02/2024 05:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a spherical
>>>>>>>> earth ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient evidence
>>>>>>> that the Earth is round?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The horizon is curved, which boys sometimes advanced as proof that the
>>>>>> Earth must indeed be round. (The geography teacher taught that). But, as
>>>>>> Selby pointed out, that only holds if we assume that the light is
>>>>>> travelling in straight lines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why wouldn't light be travelling in a straight line?
>>>>
>>>> Refraction, either by a change in medium or gravity (or some other force).
>>>> That's the stuff lenses (physical and gravitational) are made of :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Earth is not a black-hole, and the atmostphere is not that thick.
>> 
>> Neither of those negate my answer to the question "Why wouldn't light
>> be travelling in a straight line?"
>> 
>> Anyway, have you ever seen a mirage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage)?
>> 
>> 
> 
> On a hot road, yeah.
> 
> Wouldn't that lead to the conclusion that the earth is surrouned by 
> water, though?  Not that its flat.

To follow the gist of this thread,

The phenomenon of a mirage shows that, sometimes, light does not travel
in a straight line.

If light does not travel in a straight line, then the curvature of the
horizon may be explained as the effect of light not travelling in a
straight line.

Ergo, the fact that the horizon appears curved is /not/ a proof that
the world is round.


-- 
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"In Skills We Trust"

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#382861 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 22:43 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur39u0$2nf9c$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382847
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:39:37 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:

> If light does not travel in a straight line, then the curvature of the
> horizon may be explained as the effect of light not travelling in a
> straight line.
> 
> Ergo, the fact that the horizon appears curved is /not/ a proof that the
> world is round.

But the fact that tall, straight buildings partially over the horizon 
still appear straight is, I think proof. Because if the light were curved, 
then those buildings would appear curved.

I think.

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#382860 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-02-20 22:40 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur39ot$2nf9c$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382837
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:30:55 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:

> The Earth is not a black-hole, and the atmostphere is not that thick.

The atmosphere is thick enough that the timings of sunrise and sunset are 
affected by refraction, by up to several minutes.

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#382877 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-21 08:52 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur4a3s$30fpu$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382837
On 20/02/2024 19:30, Richard Harnden wrote:
> On 20/02/2024 18:26, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:10:30 +0000, Richard Harnden wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/02/2024 10:09, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>> On 20/02/2024 05:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:30:08 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (And some more people, like Pythagoras and Platon, assumed a 
>>>>>> spherical
>>>>>> earth ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn’t the simple fact of the existence of the horizon sufficient 
>>>>> evidence
>>>>> that the Earth is round?
>>>>
>>>> The horizon is curved, which boys sometimes advanced as proof that the
>>>> Earth must indeed be round. (The geography teacher taught that). 
>>>> But, as
>>>> Selby pointed out, that only holds if we assume that the light is
>>>> travelling in straight lines.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why wouldn't light be travelling in a straight line?
>>
>> Refraction, either by a change in medium or gravity (or some other 
>> force).
>> That's the stuff lenses (physical and gravitational) are made of :-)
>>
>>
> 
> The Earth is not a black-hole, and the atmostphere is not that thick.
> 

Black holes don't bend light any more than any other object with the 
same mass.  It's just that you can get closer to a black hole without 
being inside it.  (And gravity does not "bend" light - mass bends 
space-time, and the light goes in a straight line in the bent space-time.)

And the atmosphere /is/ that thick.  The refractive index of air is 
usually negligible, but the earth's atmosphere is big enough that we see 
the sun half a degree out at sunset and sunrise.

But refraction needs changes in the density or composition of the air - 
and when you are talking about measurements close to the earth's 
surface, the refractive index does not change much so there is usually 
very little refraction.  (How thick the atmosphere is has nothing to do 
with it - only differences matter for refraction.)

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#382887 — Re: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2024-02-21 11:25 -0500
SubjectRe: [OT] was Re: How About Disallowing Assignments In Expressions?
Message-ID<ur586e$38b6b$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#382877
On 2/21/24 02:52, David Brown wrote:
...
> Black holes don't bend light any more than any other object with the 
> same mass.  It's just that you can get closer to a black hole without 
> being inside it.  (And gravity does not "bend" light - mass bends 
> space-time, and the light goes in a straight line in the bent space-time.)

Not quite. Light follows null geodesics in the curved space-time. A
geodesic is an extension of the idea of straight lines to curved
spacetimes. In flat space time (which implies no gravity), geodesics are
straight lines. However, in curved space times, geodesics can be much
more complicated shapes.

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